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Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by rprospero »

danso wrote: post #97

I think the fact that this is primarily a PC port with iOS/Android merely a possibility is a deal-killer for me, thhe content notwithstanding. I'm not saying that PCs aren't technically the largest gaming platform by user base...I'm saying that the largest base of casual gamers with money to blow by far is iOS and Android. From what I remember, LSL and Kings Quest were largely casual in mechanic. Secret of Monkey Isl…

I guess I'm a bit confused about how you're using casual to describe gaming. I'd argue that King Quest were some of the least casual games in history. I'm a lousy FPS player, but none of the Modern Warfare games would require a tenth the time I spent trying to get past the Yeti in Kings Quest V.

The old Sierra games required constant focus and diligent note taking that I would have thought would rule them out from being casual. You'd never get anywhere with these games just spending ten minutes a day playing on the train. It can work for Monkey Island, since you can keep slamming things together until you win, but the Sierra games punish anything short of building a complete mental map of the game universe.

EDIT: I suddenly became afraid that this post came off as snarky or sarcastic. I didn't intend for it to be. Honestly, I'm just getting old and recognizing that the definition of casual changed while I wasn't looking. I really do want to know what it now means for a game to be casual.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by TomGullen »

Loved this game as a kid. My granddad had a computer with it installed. When he was downstairs talking to my parents I'd load it up. At the beginning of the game it had a bunch of questions to 'prove you were and adult'. I rarely got past those questions! That was half the fun, when I actually got in the game I didn't really know what to do but loved the way you could apparently do anything.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by paulhauggis »

i386 wrote: post #13

The game has no major female characters who aren't hookers. No arguing that LSL has its place in gaming history, but it doesn't have a place in a future that is trying its hardest to remove objectification of women from society. EDIT: The down voting button is not a disagree button. If you disagree, reply!

"The game has no major female characters who aren't hookers."

So? It's just a game. If you don't like it, ignore it. But no, you would rather have it so nobody else can enjoy it either.

"but it doesn't have a place in a future that is trying its hardest to remove objectification of women from society."

Do you honestly think that a women that poses in Playboy doesn't want to be objectified? If you truly want society to stop objectifying women, women need to stop voluntarily putting themselves in a position to be objectified.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

#124

Post by jiggy2011 »

danso wrote: post #115
ergo14 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the game is not going to be casualized, that was clearly stated - they will not dumb it down. If it's a problem then I guess you don't have to chip in. Lets just vote with wallets.

Sorry, just because something is "stated", like, "This game is going to be the best game ever made", doesn't necessarily make it so. How exactly is LSL going to be made less casual than the original? Is there a first-person shooter being integrated into it? 3D graphics? Will it require a dedicated controller? Assuming all the answers to those questions are no, then this is a game that would easily fit on the Android/…

From the video I saw it looked like they were planning to make tablets a first class citizen with this game.

I can however see this going more for the nostalgia market than the "casual" market as such.

I can see that it would work well on a tablet but there may be other reasons to port to the PC first.

For example there the already existing codebase (although massively out of date). Also their developers may be more familiar with programming for the PC, so it may just be quicker to bring to market on that platform. Also at the moment there are just more people that own PCs than there are who own iPads.

If there is sufficient interest/funding for this project I doubt that it will not be released for tablet devices at some stage.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by jiggy2011 »

rprospero wrote: post #121
danso wrote: post #97

I think the fact that this is primarily a PC port with iOS/Android merely a possibility is a deal-killer for me, thhe content notwithstanding. I'm not saying that PCs aren't technically the largest gaming platform by user base...I'm saying that the largest base of casual gamers with money to blow by far is iOS and Android. From what I remember, LSL and Kings Quest were largely casual in mechanic. Secret of Monkey Isl…

I guess I'm a bit confused about how you're using casual to describe gaming. I'd argue that King Quest were some of the least casual games in history. I'm a lousy FPS player, but none of the Modern Warfare games would require a tenth the time I spent trying to get past the Yeti in Kings Quest V. The old Sierra games required constant focus and diligent note taking that I would have thought would rule them out from be…

I'm not 100% sure what the definition of a "casual" gamer is anymore.

I guess it's a demographic that does not fit the pimply faced teenager that many games were marketed too in the 90s. Take me for example, I probably spend an average of 3-5 hours a week playing games and I don't take them too seriously so I would think that would classify me as "casual". But on the other hand I generally enjoy in depth RTS or RPG games more than basic puzzle games.

The old Sierra games I remember playing the most were the space quest series and I wouldn't describe those as "casual" since they were brutally difficult in parts.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by jerf »

terhechte wrote: post #111
spindritf wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We won't get rid of hookers until we change or get rid of capitalism While that's true, prostitution was just fine in every other system. Maybe if we could get rid of scarcity of resources, there would be nothing to trade for sex. But that still leaves us with all kinds of psychological reasons, so maybe if we could get rid of human nature...

Here's a study where scientist introduced a group of monkeys to the concept of money, and soon after they understood it, the monkeys themselves developed prostitution: http://www.zmescience.com/research/how-scientists-tught-monk...

Actually, that disproves your point, not bolsters it. Monkeys use sex extensively in their dominance hierarchy without money, too. In multiple different ways, depending on species. Money merely tweaks the details of the underlying social forces, it didn't even remotely create them.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by ergo14 »

danso wrote: post #115
ergo14 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the game is not going to be casualized, that was clearly stated - they will not dumb it down. If it's a problem then I guess you don't have to chip in. Lets just vote with wallets.

Sorry, just because something is "stated", like, "This game is going to be the best game ever made", doesn't necessarily make it so. How exactly is LSL going to be made less casual than the original? Is there a first-person shooter being integrated into it? 3D graphics? Will it require a dedicated controller? Assuming all the answers to those questions are no, then this is a game that would easily fit on the Android/…

No, I simply think the main intended audience is different, there are no technical reasons at all. I wouldn't call LSL casual really.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by Jeema3000 »

DanBC wrote: post #38
mkramlich wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a woman chooses to be a prostitute, and chooses to engage with a "John", then heck yes it's consensual. That's what that word means . And is there plenty of evidence that some women choose to be prostitutes (no gun pointed to their head, they have other employment options, etc.)? Heck yes. Not even controversial. Are some women forced to do it? Yes, of course. So in those cases it is not consensual. If it's not co…

People trafficking is a huge business with profits for organised crime of over $30billion. Significant numbers of women are forced into sex work in countries across the world. ( http://www.unglobalcompact.org/docs/issues_doc/labour/Forced... ) Even if the person is not trafficked there are consent issues around addiction: Can a person addicted to a substance make a free informed choice? Here's some research showing t…

"People trafficking is a huge business with profits for organised crime of over $30billion."

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that, if we have learned anything from the War on Drugs, then the solution to this problem is probably not increased criminal penalties for prostitution.

Perhaps the solution is to educate people - both young women who are at-risk of getting caught up in human trafficking, as well as men who may be likely to pay for sex and may not be aware of the problem of human trafficking.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by glhaynes »

tbsdy wrote: post #24
kennu wrote: post #5

One interesting fact: Leisure Suit Larry is pretty much directly based on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softporn_Adventure text adventure game. If you try it, you'll find the plot and the surroundings very familiar. Personally I discovered this while reading http://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Computer-Revolution-Anniversar... which I recommend to anyone.

Wow... according to Wikipedia, the women on the box were all employees of On-Line Systems, the precursor to Sierra. One of them is a bookkeeper! I'd be curious as to how the convinced them to pose naked on the box.

Steven Levy's book Hackers from the early 80s has a large section on On-Line Systems including the story of that photo. On-Line was a party, that's for sure.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by orblivion »

glhaynes wrote: post #129
tbsdy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow... according to Wikipedia, the women on the box were all employees of On-Line Systems, the precursor to Sierra. One of them is a bookkeeper! I'd be curious as to how the convinced them to pose naked on the box.

Steven Levy's book Hackers from the early 80s has a large section on On-Line Systems including the story of that photo. On-Line was a party, that's for sure.

I wonder if a game company could afford the lawyers to pull off something like that today.
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