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I Am Happy Not to Be a Web Developer Anymore

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Re: I Am Happy Not to Be a Web Developer Anymore

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Post by progx »

caipira wrote: post #22

As an old web developer myself, that surfed pretty much all the waves (No JS, just a Perl or PHP monolith, then JS with XMLHTTPRequest, jQuery, Backbone, Ember, WebPack, Angular 1 and finally React) this argument doesn't make sense. No, there isn't a new JS framework every minute. No, you don't need to learn a new thing everyday. There's really only 4 framerworks (React, Vue, Angular & Svelte, in this order), they pr…

The problem in the past was primary browser incompatibility. That was why jQuery exists and was so successfull. Different render output with different css settings was an other problem. But, thank god, since IE dies, this problems are solved for 99% of all use cases.

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Post by sergiotapia »

Kerrick wrote: post #19
progx wrote: post #17

Starting a fresh new (internal) project in our company, no specs, no borders, we can use any JS lib, framework, tool, whatever. Now we stay like a kid in front of a candy shop and don't know what to choose. Anything has pros and cons, but nothing really convinces us. It seems that all candies look great but taste like spoiled fish. We are a small team and we don't have the time to update the app with every new versio…

10 years ago I was creating apps with Ember.js, which is still a current JS framework.

Respectfully Ember is not current at all. Might as well call BackboneJS or Marionette current as well.

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Post by Telemakhos »

pupppet wrote: post #20

I don’t blame the tooling, there’s nothing stopping you from creating an old school PHP website. I blame the audience. These JS frameworks and cloud-everything services exist to shave every possible millisecond off from the experience because we all have the attention spans of a goldfish now.

I made my personal website mostly static (just some Apache server-side includes) with no js. It’s astounding how much faster it is than any other website I use. If you really want to get the goldfish audience, eschew the scripting.

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

html used to be a markup language for describing documents.

now html is the gibberish output from some js build pipeline for wrapping 50 nested divs around some json values.

why i hate web dev now:

1. what used to to take 1-3 steps now takes 10-20. trade-offs are absolutely not worth it for 90% of cases.

2. web dev has become low value, highly saturated and competitive field thanks to learn2code and low barrier.

Re: I Am Happy Not to Be a Web Developer Anymore

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Post by pfannkuchen »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #21
DHPersonal wrote: post #3

I get the point the writer is making: web development is a mess. However, I also think that stepping off that treadmill can make one's impression of the field a bit skewed, because there is no longer an incentive of the writer to keep up with the nuances of the changes. Web frameworks do come and go, but they're also not that different from each other. New ones show up, but that doesn't mean that everyone flocks to t…

I feel like I stepped off frontend the treadmill and haven’t been able to catch up with frontend. React, Angular, Vue, Next, Nuxt, Svelte, Typsecript, Tailwind, Bundlers. It feels like a mountain to climb to get my head around that lot!

I don’t really understand why people seem to decouple learning from doing. Isn’t it possible to only learn what you need when you need it? It’s not like you even have to learn an entire framework/etc each time you run into a new one, just learn the specific part you need at that time. What am I missing?

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Post by ricenews »

progx wrote: post #24
Kerrick wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10 years ago I was creating apps with Ember.js, which is still a current JS framework.

And how many times you have to update your app? How many time you need for maintain?

I’ve been maintaining Ember apps since 2015 and there’ve been 4 new major versions I’ve worked through, but the project’s deprecation policy and migration tooling have enabled incremental migration over time so there’s never been a need to hard fork / rewrite the app in a way that has occurred with several other (once-)popular web frameworks.

Re: I Am Happy Not to Be a Web Developer Anymore

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Post by progx »

malfist wrote: post #5
DHPersonal wrote: post #3

I get the point the writer is making: web development is a mess. However, I also think that stepping off that treadmill can make one's impression of the field a bit skewed, because there is no longer an incentive of the writer to keep up with the nuances of the changes. Web frameworks do come and go, but they're also not that different from each other. New ones show up, but that doesn't mean that everyone flocks to t…

I don't know man, I've seen frameworks rise, gain massive adoption and then be abandoned as everyone moves to the next hot thing. I watched everyone adopt AngularJS and then have to migrated to Angular 2.0 and then everyone migrated to React. During this time, the backend folks wrote java services using SpringBoot and then migrated to SpringBoot and then when that wasn't abandoned, moved to SpringBoot. Web developmen…

And now from client side rendering (CSR) back to server side rendering (SSR). The thing, that we done 20 years ago, but now only more complicated, with more tools, more setups, etc.

Re: I Am Happy Not to Be a Web Developer Anymore

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Post by oneshtein »

TylerE wrote: post #32
oneshtein wrote: post #15

A Web page requires a browser to show it. A Web application requires a Web OS to run it. We have no the Web OS at this point of time.

ChromeOS?

Nope. We need something, that all web frameworks will be able to use in all web browsers. If a browser is equivalent of a kernel, app - app, framework - application toolkit, and so on, then we need something like libc+apt+system libraries.

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Post by born2discover »

pupppet wrote: post #20

I don’t blame the tooling, there’s nothing stopping you from creating an old school PHP website. I blame the audience. These JS frameworks and cloud-everything services exist to shave every possible millisecond off from the experience because we all have the attention spans of a goldfish now.

According to the lore a goldfish has an attention span of about 3 seconds, are you sure humans nowadays have one *that long* ?
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