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Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Post by mlrtime »

makeitdouble wrote: post #461
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #357

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>It's astonishing the degree to which the public tolerates such forms of ineptitude and subversion – it has a direct impact on everyone's bottom line. The George Floyd protests were huge. I don't think it's a simple matter of the public being too complacent. I'd say that insofar as the protests were unsuccessful, it's because their energy wasn't being directed strategically. There was so much discussion of "defunding…

> without anyone offering a clear, compelling alternative approach A minor gripe: asking protesters of a utterly shitty, but long standing, complex and entranched situation, to come up clear, simple and compelling alternatives is generally unfair. In particular the political process should work in reverse: people voice issues, and their governing bodies come up with viable solutions. That's their job. > police qualit…

I see your point that it's the role of governing bodies to find solutions to complex issues raised by the public. However, isn't there also some responsibility on the part of the protestors to articulate what specific changes they'd like to see, rather than resorting to extreme actions like property destruction? After all, clear demands can make it easier for those in power to act effectively.

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Post by P_I_Staker »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #357
arthurofbabylon wrote: post #175

Already, police do this exact shakedown on cities. There are numerous incidents (anecdotal) of US police threatening city officials to reduce enforcement during election cycles, demanding increases in police force budget. Broadly, the US needs to eliminate corruption. There are many broken feedback loops right now from the grand (lobbying and campaign finance) to the minuscule (niche price fixing, bribery, police-ran…

>It's astonishing the degree to which the public tolerates such forms of ineptitude and subversion – it has a direct impact on everyone's bottom line. The George Floyd protests were huge. I don't think it's a simple matter of the public being too complacent. I'd say that insofar as the protests were unsuccessful, it's because their energy wasn't being directed strategically. There was so much discussion of "defunding…

The quality at the end of the day may be a bit better, but overall it's the same system. You can only speak for specific country. I know someone from France that was pulled out of a car for having an Arab name.

When Floyd died paris pd changed policies and the police broke the law in order to protest. Lets not look at Europe through rose colored glasses. This can be quite hard to do on HN, because you are often silenced.

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Post by sagarm »

uoaei wrote: post #337
TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #324

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But the slanted history point of view is that he started fires, so he can buy the distressed property. hospitals don't have an incentive to give you a heart attack.

Hospitals absolutely do have an incentive , what they don't have is a means of triggering one that includes plausible deniability.

Medical errors happen all the time and often are preventable with better processes. Just don't invest in reducing the error rate and boom, more business.

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Post by matchbok »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #463
matchbok wrote: post #420

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You must live a sheltered life to think this. Viewing an entire group of people as evil or inherently bad. People like you are the reason why progress in the area is so hard. You don't understand the reality of the job.

You actually need the sheltered life to not think this. You've only had the smallest interactions with them, in the circumstances where you had the slightest little misfortune to get a traffic ticket or where they were feeling generous that day. It's bizarre. "Why can't that internet weirdo see that the police are awesome and society would fall apart if they were gone?" only works if you've not paid attention to what…

Are you a troll account? I can't imagine someone being so obtuse, this must be a joke. You continue to paint any pushback as some bad faith, exaggerated caricature in order to support your silly ideas. The fact of the matter is most people trust most police, that is evidenced in polls after polls, in every community.

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Post by P_I_Staker »

mardifoufs wrote: post #336
droopyEyelids wrote: post #47

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Firefighter arson is a relatively well known phenomenon. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/fires-set-by-firefigh... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefighter_arson

I'm curious, how do they actually figure out who is behind a forest fire? Or even suspect that it was a criminal act in the first place. Finding who is behind a burnt house is one thing, but a whole forest is a lot of terrain to cover for proof!

You don't. Just grab some shlub and do some whitch doctor bullshit to convict them.

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Post by mschuster91 »

phatskat wrote: post #494
mschuster91 wrote: post #311

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Or it's because too many drone pilots were more than obnoxious. I'm a drone pilot myself and there's no way some of the shots on r/drones are even remotely close to being legal.

I don’t think they’re requiring officers to be hired to make sure the operator isn’t breaking the law.

Not drone law specifically, yes, but to serve as a contact point for "concerned" neighbors. Yes, it's nuts, but IMHO it's a knee-jerk response to an increased number of complaints.

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Post by bombcar »

matchbok wrote: post #504
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #463

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You actually need the sheltered life to not think this. You've only had the smallest interactions with them, in the circumstances where you had the slightest little misfortune to get a traffic ticket or where they were feeling generous that day. It's bizarre. "Why can't that internet weirdo see that the police are awesome and society would fall apart if they were gone?" only works if you've not paid attention to what…

Are you a troll account? I can't imagine someone being so obtuse, this must be a joke. You continue to paint any pushback as some bad faith, exaggerated caricature in order to support your silly ideas. The fact of the matter is most people trust most police, that is evidenced in polls after polls, in every community.

The people who are most affected by reduced policing are the marginalized communities where crime is rampant.

He's correct that if you remove police from a well-off suburb not much will happen, because they mainly do tickets and domestics, and who really cares if a couple is fighting?

But when police are removed from neighborhoods where crime is an issue, it immediately and directly affects those who live there, and not in a good way.

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Post by llbeansandrice »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #384
llbeansandrice wrote: post #368

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> without anyone offering a clear, compelling alternative approach to public safety and deterring crime. This really just betrays that you were not paying attention beyond the tagline. Multiple cities have already implemented trial programs to replace police services with mental health and EMT professionals to wild success. Denver has the STAR program [0] and I'm aware of a similar program in New Orleans and I'm sure…

>Multiple cities have already implemented trial programs to replace police services with mental health and EMT professionals to wild success. That's chill, but it doesn't seem nearly as radical as the "abolish the police" slogan? What fraction of police calls have been replaced with mental health/EMT calls in these cities? Suppose someone is suspected of using a counterfeit $20 bill -- does Denver now call a mental h…

What a ridiculous comment.

You get the tagline hilariously wrong and your example is someone committing a non violent crime that the federal government handles anyway?

How many strawmen are you going to use?

Do an ounce of research into the existing programs and ideas.

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Post by llbeansandrice »

Almondsetat wrote: post #372
llbeansandrice wrote: post #368

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> without anyone offering a clear, compelling alternative approach to public safety and deterring crime. This really just betrays that you were not paying attention beyond the tagline. Multiple cities have already implemented trial programs to replace police services with mental health and EMT professionals to wild success. Denver has the STAR program [0] and I'm aware of a similar program in New Orleans and I'm sure…

Your reply has a big claim, namely that they have had a "wild success". Instead of giving sources for this claim you provided us with contextual information that proves nothing

You could try googling any of the programs.

> The program is producing paradigm shift results. In its inaugural year, STAR has successfully responded to 1,396 calls. Of those, there were no arrests, no injuries and no need for police back up. We've learned from these calls that expanding the program can help further reduce the need for law enforcement and emergency medical services to respond to 911 calls in certain crises, like intoxication, welfare checks, indecent exposure and more.

https://www.wellpower.org/star-program/

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

Kerb_ wrote: post #487
lobf wrote: post #410

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We shouldn’t be doing anything to increase the number of guns in circulation. It reduces safety for everyone, especially the gun owners.

If I could snap my fingers and make all the guns disappear tomorrow, I would. Until then, I've looked down the barrel of another man's gun and been attacked by neo-nazis and the police have disappointed me every time, so I'm gonna carry my own.

Im interested in your neo-nazi attack story

I've never met or seen a Neo Nazi in my entire life, wondering how one ends up getting attacked by one.

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