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Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by fphhotchips »

andsoitis wrote: post #286
kaetemi wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what imaginary world is accepting payment and shipping the item not the same as selling the item?

The difference between being an Amazon Vendor and a Seller: https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbusinesscouncil/2023/01/2...

The vendor that appears on my Credit Card statement is Amazon. The organisation who sets the commercial terms is Amazon. The website is completely Amazon branded. The goods are usually stored in a big warehouse with "Amazon" written on the side and delivered by someone engaged and paid by Amazon. The box that arrives has "Amazon Prime" written all over it.

I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, Amazon is selling the item.

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Post by mlyle »

donatj wrote: post #289
mlyle wrote: post #276

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It's hardly victimless-- when you lie to get something of value that would otherwise go to other people, and then sell it, you're ripping those people off.

No one lost anything though. No one is worse off than had this not happened at all - say the CEO never started the company. That to me is the definition of victimless. I lost imaginary income that never would have actually existed doesn’t make you a victim.

> No one lost anything here. At worst rent seekers didn’t get to collect rent for something that cost them nothing.

This was your original comment.

The opposite is true here: a person received addresses at low costs reserved for people who don't have any addressing of their own, and then sold the addresses for millions of dollars to companies who already have a lot of addresses and would be ineligible for this.

They pretended to be dozens of new companies to do this. They filed false affidavits where they swore facts that were untrue.

Meanwhile companies actually eligible for ARIN's initial block policy had to wait indefinitely because this scalper had snatched up all the inventory. Were they not harmed?

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Post by shiroiuma »

andsoitis wrote: post #280
SoftTalker wrote: post #277

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Would like to see Amazon charged with wire fraud for all the counterfeit stuff they sell. It's paid for "by wire" is it not? And almost certainly across state lines which makes it federal.

Fraud is the wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. While counterfeit stuff are sold by sellers in the marketplace that Amazon provides, that is not equivalent to Amazon being the one selling the stuff.

1. Amazon ships plenty of counterfeit merchandise.

2. There is so much counterfeit stuff on Amazon that they should know about it, and should be held responsible since they do nothing about it. "Should have known" is sufficient for guilt in a court of law, when the thing is blatantly obvious.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by vasco »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #265
ben_w wrote: post #236

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I think we need a new take on that phrase, something like "ignorance of the law must not be a reasonable defence" — when the law is too complex for most people to understand, it is vulnerable to capricious enforcement, malicious compliance, and unwitting everyday violations being held against the politically undesirable. Not only do I have absolutely no idea how to get from here to there, I also assume the degree of…

One of my favorite saying is this: "The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state" (thousands years old saying and nothing has changed). And, oh boy, do we have many laws. It is by design , to oppress the people.

At work do you also say the legacy projects that are a pain to work with are by design, to oppress the programmers?

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Post by shiroiuma »

missedthecue wrote: post #259
newZWhoDis wrote: post #254

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This hasn’t been my experience. Recently reported a large problematic activity involving hundreds of mailboxes. The post office told me to call the postal inspectors, and the postal inspectors said call my local office. Idk where the “postal inspectors are bad ass” meme comes from online, but from my sample size they’re just as useless as any other government org.

I was going to say the same thing. My passport was stolen from a mail truck a few years ago and the last update I got from the postal inspectors was that they gave up and told me I wasn't getting my parcel back, and that I should cut my losses. And that was only about 2 weeks after the theft occurred, although they did send me automated "we haven't made progress" emails every 6 months until the case was officially cl…

I wonder how much the timeframe matters. I feel like a lot of stuff in the US has really gone down the toilet in the last 20 years, so maybe the Postal Inspectors really were badass 50+ years ago.

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Post by alphager »

autokad wrote: post #36
lalith_c wrote: post #2

Move to ipv6 already

ipv6 is such a failure. even if it eventually 'takes over', its still a failure. Its over engineered for something customers didnt ask for (an ip address for every grain of sand in the universe). There's something to be said about a human readable IP address. Where you can't tell a person the address, you have to copy and paste. where you cant infer any information about the IP address just by looking at it. It adds…

The large address space and thus the king addresses are an artifact of optimizing the routing.

I think just saving the endless discussions of "my Xbox only got nat type 2, how do I change it?" alone saves more lifetimes than are lost by c&p adresses (not to speak of the large infrastructure costs of maintaining gcnat at scale).

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Post by flashback2199 »

andsoitis wrote: post #286
kaetemi wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what imaginary world is accepting payment and shipping the item not the same as selling the item?

The difference between being an Amazon Vendor and a Seller: https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbusinesscouncil/2023/01/2...

Then why is eBay in court for allowing emissions defeat devices to be sold on its platform, eBay didn't sell them?

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Post by Ichthypresbyter »

zinclozenge wrote: post #184
squintychino wrote: post #120

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Story time? What makes Postal Inspectors so feared.

Some agencies, ones you might not even expect like the USPS and FDA, also have law enforcement powers, but have very narrow jurisdiction (relative to general law enforcement agencies like the FBI). So when a case actually does fall under their jurisdiction, they execute their duties "with extreme prejudice", so to speak. Assuming the story from the OP you replied to is true, the fact that they arrested the police off…

I think that every Department of the US Government (and AFAIK most if not all of the independent agencies) has at least one armed law enforcement agency, though in many cases all it does is ensure the security of the department's buildings and protect against corruption by its employees.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by dustingetz »

andsoitis wrote: post #280
SoftTalker wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would like to see Amazon charged with wire fraud for all the counterfeit stuff they sell. It's paid for "by wire" is it not? And almost certainly across state lines which makes it federal.

Fraud is the wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. While counterfeit stuff are sold by sellers in the marketplace that Amazon provides, that is not equivalent to Amazon being the one selling the stuff.

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