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Re: Leisure Suit Larry

#81
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extreme violence and gore? No problem! Consensual sex between adults? Disgusting!

I don't see where he claimed extreme violence and gore is okay. Ridiculous straw man is ridiculous.

I don't think he was referencing this game, just society's perception of sex vs violence.

Does anyone remember hot coffee from GTA? In a game full of gangs, drugs, stealing and killing the media became upset because of virtual sex.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

#82
post #13

The game has no major female characters who aren't hookers. No arguing that LSL has its place in gaming history, but it doesn't have a place in a future that is trying its hardest to remove objectification of women from society. EDIT: The down voting button is not a disagree button. If you disagree, reply!

  > a future that is trying its hardest to remove
  > objectification of women from society
How about the future where women decide for themselves what to do (including providing sex for money) instead of some righteous males knowing what's the best?

Whatever happened to the awareness of the context?

Ironically some of the most common female sexual fantasies involve them being objectified one way or other—because in this case they are not responsible and have no guilt for acting contrary to the expectations of the society which wants them to be serious, shy, prudent, etc. Guess who is responsible for such expectations.

And yes, why fictional violence gets free pass, but sex is tabu (or even crime). Imagine the outcry if instead of "shooter" S stood for "sex" in FPX games played by teens.

How come that depiction of killing other is OK, but sex, which is key to our survival is not OK?

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

#83
post #13

The game has no major female characters who aren't hookers. No arguing that LSL has its place in gaming history, but it doesn't have a place in a future that is trying its hardest to remove objectification of women from society. EDIT: The down voting button is not a disagree button. If you disagree, reply!

> a future that is trying its hardest to remove > objectification of women from society How about the future where women decide for themselves what to do (including providing sex for money) instead of some righteous males knowing what's the best? Whatever happened to the awareness of the context? Ironically some of the most common female sexual fantasies involve them being objectified one way or other—because in this…

...because in this case they are not responsible and have no guilt...

Or simply because they are fun.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

#84
post #16

Ever wish sometimes you could take money away from Kickstarter projects? LSL is one of those things that should be left in the '80s.

Why? There are people who might enjoy this. How does this bother you?

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

#85
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a woman chooses to be a prostitute, and chooses to engage with a "John", then heck yes it's consensual. That's what that word means . And is there plenty of evidence that some women choose to be prostitutes (no gun pointed to their head, they have other employment options, etc.)? Heck yes. Not even controversial. Are some women forced to do it? Yes, of course. So in those cases it is not consensual. If it's not co…

People trafficking is a huge business with profits for organised crime of over $30billion. Significant numbers of women are forced into sex work in countries across the world. ( http://www.unglobalcompact.org/docs/issues_doc/labour/Forced... ) Even if the person is not trafficked there are consent issues around addiction: Can a person addicted to a substance make a free informed choice? Here's some research showing t…

Even if the person is not trafficked there are consent issues around addiction: Can a person addicted to a substance make a free informed choice?

In that case any employer with a drug addicted employee is guilty of slavery and any person with a drug addicted spouse is guilty of rape.

Is this your belief? If not, why not?

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

#86
post #20
post #13

The game has no major female characters who aren't hookers. No arguing that LSL has its place in gaming history, but it doesn't have a place in a future that is trying its hardest to remove objectification of women from society. EDIT: The down voting button is not a disagree button. If you disagree, reply!

I have to agree with i386. There's a pretty disturbing screenshot where Larry says that "this is the hooker's seedy bedroom. The bed's a mess, so is the hooker!". http://www.replaygamesinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/tum...

I think the reason you guys object is because you haven't actually played the game and are looking at it from a superficial standpoint.

You are presented with a choice of losing your virginity to the hooker, or leaving and hoping to one day find true love. If you go to the hooker, you die and it's game over because you "feel empty inside".

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

#87
post #13

The game has no major female characters who aren't hookers. No arguing that LSL has its place in gaming history, but it doesn't have a place in a future that is trying its hardest to remove objectification of women from society. EDIT: The down voting button is not a disagree button. If you disagree, reply!

Two things. You're ready to censor entertainment on a political basis. I am not. If men stopped seeing women as sexual objects, human race would die out.

Maybe it's beyond your comprehension that males do have strong sexual urges. Wheter you call it objectification, or arousal triggered by visual stimuli is semantics. In the end you're just blaming the men for being men.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

#88
post #13

The game has no major female characters who aren't hookers. No arguing that LSL has its place in gaming history, but it doesn't have a place in a future that is trying its hardest to remove objectification of women from society. EDIT: The down voting button is not a disagree button. If you disagree, reply!

I'm not going to partake in the discussion about whether fictional work should or should not objectify women. I have my take on it and others theirs, and we can agree to disagree. No moral absolutes.

But to be against a work of fiction that _parodies_ negative concepts, like objectification of women, which is clearly what LSL is about if you ever played it, is not acceptable from a freedom of speech perspective. Once you start finding disagreements with parodies, you're on a slippery slope. Next thing you are disagreeing with religious or political parody. A parody is about conveying a negative concept humorously after all, if the common mindset found the concept agreeable, it wouldn't be called a parody in the first place.

This really just boils down to saying, "the society is too stupid to understand subtleties, so we better keep humor and entertainment direct and remove any irony/parody/cynical/dark humor". There are countries where this mindset is common, and censorship is what it leads to, I know this because I've been there.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

#90
post #13

The game has no major female characters who aren't hookers. No arguing that LSL has its place in gaming history, but it doesn't have a place in a future that is trying its hardest to remove objectification of women from society. EDIT: The down voting button is not a disagree button. If you disagree, reply!

We have enough people trying to mess up with the real world, leave games alone. If we go down that path we end up burning books, remember ?

Free society begins with free speech, no matter if you like what is being said or not.

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