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Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by toyg »

tbsdy wrote: post #54
dagw wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which bit to you find disturbing? The fact that the game acknowledges the existence of hookers, the fact that the game draws attention to the fact that many hookers work out of pretty seedy bedrooms or the fact that the game draws attention that many hookers end up looking less than their best. Would you have preferred "this is the hooker's fabulous bedroom. The bed's perfectly clean, so is the hooker!"

Try not to use begging the question as an argument. But what makes me sad is the second part. Because it's in a game, and it's done to be funny. I'm not shocked by the existence of hookers. I should be, but I'm desensitized.

Oh come on, how could you ever be shocked by what is commonly known as "the oldest profession"?

I'm not saying it's a nice job, but neither it is fixing sewage pipes. You should be shocked that pimps exist, maybe, but then again their role is quite natural and I'm sure some of them are quite the professional. The massive amount of abuse surrounding the "industry" is a problem, but it's hardly the only industry where management can abuse the workforce.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by Shivetya »

Someone please bring Starflight back. Hell, they could simply use the exact story of the original and its sequel and have two great games.

Well provided they don't make it first person :P

There are so many great games from the eighties. Many of them had to have original elements and wit because they were so constrained by the machines of that day.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by DanBC »

defrost wrote: post #46
DanBC wrote: post #38

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People trafficking is a huge business with profits for organised crime of over $30billion. Significant numbers of women are forced into sex work in countries across the world. ( http://www.unglobalcompact.org/docs/issues_doc/labour/Forced... ) Even if the person is not trafficked there are consent issues around addiction: Can a person addicted to a substance make a free informed choice? Here's some research showing t…

Look, we get it, the US has an education problem, still doesn't use metric, has a high rate of incarceration that effectively enslaves cheap labour, and still can't have legal prostitution without human trafficking or drugs. Meanwhile, in saner socialist countries prisons are for reform, prostitution is government sponsored for health reasons and subject to drug testing and checks for pimps or links to human traffick…

I wasn't making an anti US post. I have no idea why you think I was. I'm not sure I understand your post.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by paines »

mkramlich wrote: post #22

I wrote an iPhone game that's extremely like Leisure Suit Larry, about a year or two ago. Same spirit and game mechanics. Called "The Adventures of Khaki Pants Pete". Pretty much a nod to LSL, even the name was a tongue-in-cheek reference to it's name. I did it under contract for a dev shop that in turn did it for the company that owns the Klondike Bar. A lot of people said it was pretty fun. I thought it was fun. An…

Wow, sound like my dream job. Hope you had fun and learnt a lot.

Any chance for an Android version ?

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by defrost »

DanBC wrote: post #73
defrost wrote: post #46

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Look, we get it, the US has an education problem, still doesn't use metric, has a high rate of incarceration that effectively enslaves cheap labour, and still can't have legal prostitution without human trafficking or drugs. Meanwhile, in saner socialist countries prisons are for reform, prostitution is government sponsored for health reasons and subject to drug testing and checks for pimps or links to human traffick…

I wasn't making an anti US post. I have no idea why you think I was. I'm not sure I understand your post.

This is one of those issues where things can get blurred, I have to confess I'm a little unclear as to your exact position as well so I'll try and be clear.

Firstly I'm pro informed consensual activity, whether or not that activity is distasteful to myself or society at large. As far as drug use and prostitution are concerned I'll go with history and note that humans will always be doing both.

Now, in response to someone raising prostitution, if consensual, being okay you responded with a link to a UN report on human trafficking and a US study on drugs and prostitution being highly correlated.

These are fair points to raise, my position would be that if various countries decriminalised drug use and prostitution then they could be regulated as many other activities and industries are which would lead to a strong reduction in health issues and unsavoury slave like conditions.

The tone of my post was to strike a response, if anything I was the one expressing an anti US (government policy) sentiment. I noted you cited a US report linking drugs and prostitution (although I note it mentioned drug use in London as well) and I reacted rather strongly to that. If you meant to imply that prostitution -> drug use + pimping then I disagree as I feel that correlation does not equal causation and personally feel that federal level policy that declares a war on drugs and regards the business of sex as immoral is more likely to be the root cause of problems.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by icebraining »

rytis wrote: post #62
VMG wrote: post #31

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There is pretty good evidence that people are able to differentiate fiction from reality. If we apply the idea that game worlds should be moral, what about GTA?

Every now and then things like this happen though: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/02/teenager-daniel-bar... Ban Coronation Street? Perhaps not. But we can't really say that media is not influencing our behaviour...

That influence is only bad if he wouldn't have killed his mother if he hadn't played the game. Otherwise, it just influenced the means, which is more or less irrelevant.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by [deleted] »

rogerbraun wrote: post #68
Lazare wrote: post #58

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I'm actually a little confused. You list some very negative things, which I strongly deplore, and then you say it "isn't LSL's fault, but it certainly isn't helping". Those are, indeed, very negative things! But... A lot of things can be described as not being at fault, but not helping reduce the number sexual assaults in America. Apple pie. The Toyota corporation. Cows. Vegetarians. The colour blue. If LSL really is…

You are taking this too literal. "LSL isn't helping" means that it perpetuates a view of women and dating that is bad for society. I know it is a parody, but even so, it is a small part of the larger problem we have with sexism in our society.

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Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by EricDeb »

i386 wrote: post #13

The game has no major female characters who aren't hookers. No arguing that LSL has its place in gaming history, but it doesn't have a place in a future that is trying its hardest to remove objectification of women from society. EDIT: The down voting button is not a disagree button. If you disagree, reply!

Disagree... Mainly because I could easily envision a society in which this argument snowballs, careening down a slippery slope until all comedy (South park, family guy, etc) is seen as harmful to society and made illegal or highly censored.

I've never played this game, but I'm guessing it is supposed to be humorous, and I think protecting satire and supporting comedic efforts is extremely important.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry

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Post by reitzensteinm »

tbsdy wrote: post #40
tbsdy wrote: post #21

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I know. Respect for women is SUCH a dull way to live your life.

Yeah, downvote me. Clearly it was sarcasm.

Actually, I think we got that. In general, if you're going to be snarky here, you'd better be witty or intelligent about it. Or, you know, funny.
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