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"A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer" Simulated by GPT-4

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Re: "A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer" Simulated by GPT-4

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This isn't the first time I've seen this allusion and I feel a little crazy each time. A major but mostly implicit plot point of that book was that only the primer backed by a connection to an invested and nurturing adult was able to accomplish the goals of the project. The two that were purely automated failed. Now like, it's fiction not prophesy and you can get into various whatifs sure. But you can't dodge the fac…

You already answered it yourself. Neal's work was fiction. He had a story to tell. a lesson/narrative to convey. His intent "got in the way" of possible reality. Purely automated Primers didn't work simply because Neal didn't want them to in his story. There are no strong reasons as to why they shouldn't work. It's just human exceptionalism at work again. The readers are not Neal. They may, as is their choice be far…

Right sure, you'll notice I'm not taking a position about its viability either way right?

I'm pointing out that this conversation needs to be started by the ones creating the "primer", not us. "We made a thing from a book, the author thinks it wouldn't work but here's why we do" is a reasonable place to start. "We're reproducing a canonically failed fictional project without further consideration" is unserious at best. Torment nexus-y at worst. https://twitter.com/AlexBlechman/status/1457842724128833538

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I loved Diamond Age. My favorite Stephenson book, by far. But the ending, the resolution of all the action, was such a letdown. Such meh. I find that this is often a problem with cyberpunk.

Do you think that's a Neal Stephenson issue? Don't get me wrong, I love his writing, but I found this to be the case with Fall too. I can see it becoming tiring if one is writing 400+ page books.

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I loved Diamond Age. My favorite Stephenson book, by far. But the ending, the resolution of all the action, was such a letdown. Such meh. I find that this is often a problem with cyberpunk.

I don't know what people want or expect. I thought it was a fine ending.

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This isn't the first time I've seen this allusion and I feel a little crazy each time. A major but mostly implicit plot point of that book was that only the primer backed by a connection to an invested and nurturing adult was able to accomplish the goals of the project. The two that were purely automated failed. Now like, it's fiction not prophesy and you can get into various whatifs sure. But you can't dodge the fac…

(spoilers for Diamond Age follow) Mmm, I understand what you're getting at but from what I remember of the book (it's been a few years, please forgive me) the two you're talking about that failed were relatively privileged little girls who in at least one case had separate tutors, school etc, and this played into why it failed, because they abandoned the TYLIP whenever it challenged them or made them uncomfortable. M…

It didn't work with the mouse army, it made them into the mouse army.

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post #22

I loved Diamond Age. My favorite Stephenson book, by far. But the ending, the resolution of all the action, was such a letdown. Such meh. I find that this is often a problem with cyberpunk.

Do you think that's a Neal Stephenson issue? Don't get me wrong, I love his writing, but I found this to be the case with Fall too. I can see it becoming tiring if one is writing 400+ page books.

I think it's a well-known Stephenson issue. Here's his response when asked:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nealstephenson/comments/5jjwmq/neal...

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I knew a girl once, used to ride on a skateboard … wound up a governess, i think. Worked for a guy doing something like this.

She spoke softly to no one, "Like chiseled spam." Crowsfeet wrinkled deeply as a wistful smile spread across her face.

Her eyes seemed to scan an unseen horizon as if daring it to contest her words. They had seen decades come and go, fads morph into nostalgia, and the trivial be elevated to the profound.

The room around her—a hodgepodge of vinyl records, old movie posters, and furniture that screamed “thrift store chic”—only added to the ambiance of cultured decay. It was as if she and the room were in a symbiotic relationship, both worn but defiant, aesthetically disheveled but fundamentally strong.

“Ah, life,” she mused to herself, “where the mundane and the magnificent dance in the gray area of absurdity.” And with that, she took a sip of her overpriced, artisanal gin, as if toasting to the glorious contradiction that is existence.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think that's a Neal Stephenson issue? Don't get me wrong, I love his writing, but I found this to be the case with Fall too. I can see it becoming tiring if one is writing 400+ page books.

I think it's a well-known Stephenson issue. Here's his response when asked: https://www.reddit.com/r/nealstephenson/comments/5jjwmq/neal...

Wow, this is fascinating, thank you!

Made me wonder whether editors get in the way too.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

She spoke softly to no one, "Like chiseled spam." Crowsfeet wrinkled deeply as a wistful smile spread across her face.

This is poetic. Is it generated with GPT? Or did you write that? Kudos if you wrote that.

Generated by Neal Stephenson, I believe. :)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

She spoke softly to no one, "Like chiseled spam." Crowsfeet wrinkled deeply as a wistful smile spread across her face.

Her eyes seemed to scan an unseen horizon as if daring it to contest her words. They had seen decades come and go, fads morph into nostalgia, and the trivial be elevated to the profound. The room around her—a hodgepodge of vinyl records, old movie posters, and furniture that screamed “thrift store chic”—only added to the ambiance of cultured decay. It was as if she and the room were in a symbiotic relationship, both…

I think I have some books to read.

I haven't laid hold of truly good sci-fi in a long time.

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