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Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Post by rpmisms »

FireBeyond wrote: post #190
ta1243 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how the list of exceptions for the other 9 amendments in the bill of rights (well ok maybe not #3) is neverending

"The right to an abortion is not explicitly and specifically in the Constitution, therefore it doesn't exist". (I recognize some of the "issues" with Roe v Wade, tangential/orthogonal to that of access to medical services...) "The right to purchase arms is not explicitly and specifically in the Constitution, but must exist despite that, because how else could you bear arms?" Just like how, for Justice(hah) Thomas, sa…

They are originalists, and if the origin changes, so does the meaning. Change the origin document if you'd like to change the meaning.

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

billy99k wrote: post #176
cool_dude85 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me guess - the honky tonk doesn't have to, but if you're booking rap acts....

which group has more crime/bad behavior on average? regardless of act, you ramp up security accordingly.

Which "group" defines more crimes/bad behaviors on average? Maybe there's a correlation there.

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Post by vkou »

kshacker wrote: post #118
montagg wrote: post #101

Vultures picking what away at parts of a corpse they can. You see so many examples of this, just straight parasitical behavior, in at least American society. I don’t think the U.S. is economically where the Soviet Union was when it fell, but it’s rapidly approaching the civic dysfunction and deep corruption. You have to wonder, is this the fall of an empire or something like the corruption of the late 1800s and early…

Yes there are so many signs that what we have is a house of cards but like stock markets, even in real life, things can remain crazier way longer than they should. One one hand the law and order is missing and on the other hand the people that make the laws are so divided. The people who should protect lack credibility on one hand and are demonized on the other hand. On one hand we do want to encourage rehabilitation…

> The people who should protect lack credibility on one hand and are demonized on the other hand.

The former leads to the latter. Despite media (both fictional and non-fictional) largely carrying water for law enforcement, they just can't help but paint themselves in an incredibly unsympathetic, uncharitable light. [1]

[1] https://www.npr.org/2023/09/13/1199352063/seattle-officer-re... - a bodycam recording[2] of the SPD union VP speaking to the president shortly after an SPD officer ran down a woman using a crosswalk, by doing 74 in a 25 zone, at night, with no sirens. He didn't brake until after he hit her.

[2] Since she was 26, according to our fine boys in blue, her life had 'limited value'. This is what the guild's leadership think of the people they are supposed to 'protect and serve'... When the cameras are rolling.

When you're actually behaving like a demon, is it any surprise that you're demonized[3] for it?

[3] Demonized isn't even the right word. They'll face no consequences, as the SCC is both incapable, and entirely unwilling to reign in these animals.

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Post by spondylosaurus »

WalterBright wrote: post #208
NickC25 wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ITT: people defending the actions of a corporation owned by a family worth over 230 billion USD. Businesses should expect that society protects them, sure. But those same businesses can't then go and bribe the government to cut worker protection laws, labor laws, can't slash wages and expect that the government covers the costs of labor, etc... If Walmart paid their workers lavishly, gave them huge pensions, didn't e…

And provided inexpensive goods to the masses.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/walmart-effect.asp

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Post by mrguyorama »

bombcar wrote: post #138
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #131

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I am not envisioning any society in particular. Instead, I would ask you a question. It's a little contrived, so bear with me. Imagine a situation that you could plausibly find yourself in where you would feel the need to contact the police. It need not be a 911 call, though those are fine too. Imagine how that would go down... the time of day you contact them. Where you would be when it happened. How you would descr…

If that's all they do, who is arresting the murders?

Nobody. America's homicide clearance rate is a coin flip

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Post by chaps »

senderista wrote: post #192

If you find these corruption allegations hard to believe, I lived on the South Side of Chicago in the late 90s, and cops there expected to eat for free wherever they went and blew through stop signs and red lights like they weren't even there. (I have never seen this kind of police behavior anywhere else I've lived, which includes downtown Seattle.) Oh, and I had a detective tell me once (after they'd found the guy w…

Can you share more on the shotgun stuff? Was that recently?

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Post by matchbok »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #79
_moof wrote: post #18

Already we've got two top-level comments who think this article is about crime. It isn't. It's about corrupt police shaking down small business owners under threat of losing their business license. ETA: Please give the pedantry a rest. Of course I know police corruption is criminal. That's not what the people talking about "crime" are talking about.

> It's about corrupt police shaking down small business owners I don't believe that there's ever been any other kind of cop. Certainly not outside of fiction. By prefixing the adjective "corrupt" though, you're certainly buying into it. Have you never read the headlines where the entire police union tries to extort the entire city? "If we don't get enough cops on the street, bad things will happen". Hell, even more e…

This sort of childish generalizations help nobody, other than yourself (and virtue signaling)

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Post by scythe »

mrguyorama wrote: post #228
brvsft wrote: post #200

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A lot of people are under the impression that these stores can just eat the cost with insurance, which is, of course, an absurd notion because then the insurance company is losing too much money and will raise the premiums. Then Walmart, etc. can't afford the insurance unless they close their most problematic locations. People engage in a lot of magical thinking to justify theft since it seems like a harmless act. Th…

No, insurance doesn't have to cover it, because even in these cases where large retailers are crying about theft, it's still not the primary cause of shrinkage in their businesses! Grocers still lose more product to employee theft or just breaking stuff during handling. Even in California where there's some conspiracy theory about how "It's the DAs fault the police aren't doing anything", as if it's the police's resp…

At least one source gives shoplifting as the plurality of shrinkage at 36%, with employee theft close behind at 30%. But if theft isn't prosecuted, this would seem to affect incentives for both shoplifting and employee theft.

https://lithospos.com/blog/shrinkage-in-retail-and-how-to-pr...

Together this puts theft at a solid majority (66%) of shrinkage.

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Post by Clubber »

specialp wrote: post #80

This is also true in Orange County, Florida. I was surprised when I found out via a friend that was a deputy there that the uniformed police working at bars were being paid by the bar, and it was required that they had a certain number of them on duty. They too were getting paid $50-60 an hour.

The fraternities at the university I attended were required to hire police at parties too. This was in the 90s.

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Post by [deleted] »

unethical_ban wrote: post #111
Filligree wrote: post #94

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It makes sense even if they don't. Places like that have externalities, and they shouldn't be offloading their rowdiness onto people who live next door.

I think the idea that the enforcers of law (the ones that show up in guns and armor) can compel people to hire them for security work is a very, very conflicted interest. Very mafia-like.

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