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Re: The importance of handwriting is now better understood

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Post by potta_coffee »

progbits wrote: post #80
jmkd wrote: post #32

If your handwriting looks good and gives satisfaction you will do it more. It truly helps embodying thoughts and ideas, and provides another significant layer (like flavour in a recipe) of learning and understanding. I was fortunate to be taught Marion Richardson [0] style handwriting aged 8 or so, and decades years later my handwriting is still universally complimented. I hand write letters for pleasure and take not…

> It truly helps embodying thoughts and ideas I agree the act of writing things out helps. But I strongly disagree this is specific to handwriting. Typing things out has the same effect.

Purely anecdotal based on my own experience, typing information does very little for me but hand-written notes vastly improve my ability to retain information.

Re: The importance of handwriting is now better understood

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Post by [deleted] »

almostnormal wrote: post #87
binaryprimate wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-athletes-way/2... "New research from Johns Hopkins University (JHU) suggests that handwriting practice refines fine-tuned motor skills and creates a perceptual-motor experience that appears to help adults learn generalized literacy-related skills "surprisingly faster and significantly better" than if they tried to learn the same material by typing on a keyboard or watchin…

From that same link: "After six learning sessions, everyone in the video watching and type-writing group had learned the Arabic alphabet and could identify each of its 28 letters. However, people in the handwriting group—who used pen and paper to write each letter during their learning sessions—gained the same level of proficiency after just two learning sessions." Replace handwriting with any other activity. It is p…

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Re: The importance of handwriting is now better understood

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Post by tomjakubowski »

almostnormal wrote: post #87
binaryprimate wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-athletes-way/2... "New research from Johns Hopkins University (JHU) suggests that handwriting practice refines fine-tuned motor skills and creates a perceptual-motor experience that appears to help adults learn generalized literacy-related skills "surprisingly faster and significantly better" than if they tried to learn the same material by typing on a keyboard or watchin…

From that same link: "After six learning sessions, everyone in the video watching and type-writing group had learned the Arabic alphabet and could identify each of its 28 letters. However, people in the handwriting group—who used pen and paper to write each letter during their learning sessions—gained the same level of proficiency after just two learning sessions." Replace handwriting with any other activity. It is p…

No, according to the link the hand-writers learned Arabic much faster than the learners typing on keyboards. Handwriting Arabic facilitated faster learning of the language than typing it out.

This comports with my personal language learning experience, for what that's worth. I couldn't say whether it translates to other subjects.

Full article is here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8641140/

Re: The importance of handwriting is now better understood

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Post by tines »

TRiG_Ireland wrote: post #57
jmkd wrote: post #32

If your handwriting looks good and gives satisfaction you will do it more. It truly helps embodying thoughts and ideas, and provides another significant layer (like flavour in a recipe) of learning and understanding. I was fortunate to be taught Marion Richardson [0] style handwriting aged 8 or so, and decades years later my handwriting is still universally complimented. I hand write letters for pleasure and take not…

I recall my mother writing a personal letter to sooth a family dispute. It was long. She wrote it on the computer, so she could edit it and arrange her words to fit her meaning, printed it, and copied it out longhand for the personal touch.

> to sooth a family dispute

I think you want the word "soothe" which means to calm. "Sooth" means "truth" as in "sooth-sayer."

Re: The importance of handwriting is now better understood

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Post by Aeolun »

jmkd wrote: post #45
Aeolun wrote: post #41

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This doesn’t look particularly special? This is just a form of cursive right?

It was the first time a system was developed that took note of how the hand moved ergonomically in order to create a natural way of writing (drawing) unnatural letters, and linking them together. This system allows you to write cursive with exceptional flow and - if you wish - flair, rather than simply copying complicated shapes and then having that body memory inevitably degrade over the years.

Ah, I imagine it’s what I learned, without anyone saying it was special, so it’s just what I consider the default.

I never got any good at it, but after 28 years my ability hasn’t degraded either.

I thought I lost my touch, but all my remaining writings from 28 years ago show exactly the same level of suck xD. So at least the part about body memory seem to be completely correct.

Re: The importance of handwriting is now better understood

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Post by heresie-dabord »

jmkd wrote: post #32

If your handwriting looks good and gives satisfaction you will do it more. It truly helps embodying thoughts and ideas, and provides another significant layer (like flavour in a recipe) of learning and understanding. I was fortunate to be taught Marion Richardson [0] style handwriting aged 8 or so, and decades years later my handwriting is still universally complimented. I hand write letters for pleasure and take not…

> It truly helps embodying thoughts and ideas

The act of writing imposes structure and optimisation on the language to convey (transfer) an idea.

Structure, because of grammar and notation. Optimisation, because we don't wish to exhaust ourselves in writing or the readers in reading.

But knowledge of grammar is essential.

Re: The importance of handwriting is now better understood

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Post by creaturemachine »

zellyn wrote: post #92
edgyquant wrote: post #71

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This seems very clearly a bot post. This is a non-sequitur to the other comment and the way it redescribes the context seems fishy and too artificial.

I don't see any evidence that this is a bot post. It's the only post in the thread that actually points to scans of the Marion Richardson source materials mentioned in the parent comment. I guess it doesn't matter now, since it's been flagged… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm trying my hardest to imagine someone making a bot that scours the Internet for discussions on handwriting only to post in the most succinct manner a resource that is very much on-topic.

Re: The importance of handwriting is now better understood

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Post by gosub100 »

edgyquant wrote: post #71
lgrebe wrote: post #50

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Marion Richardson Handwriting was first published in 1935 and continued to be used in schools until the 1980s. It consists of five copy books, each with a different level of difficulty, and a teacher's book that explains the methods and materials to be used. You can download the copy books for free from this link: [Writing and Writing Patterns]( https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.54007 .)

This seems very clearly a bot post. This is a non-sequitur to the other comment and the way it redescribes the context seems fishy and too artificial.

It is most certainly in sequence: Clarification of the 5+1 volumes and a link to the content for free right now - albeit nearly unusable quality scan - instead of a "backorder only" link to buy for $30.

This "you might be a bot" is going to be the next Red Scare or witch hunt (that the esteemed AI revolutionaries will deny any responsibility for). Just wait till the real bots learn to start saying that! [spiderman pointing gif]

Re: The importance of handwriting is now better understood

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Post by EdwardCoffin »

blululu wrote: post #77
edgyquant wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems very clearly a bot post. This is a non-sequitur to the other comment and the way it redescribes the context seems fishy and too artificial.

It is a very bot level post, but the link goes to a real book (a scan so not that accessible) and it does at least give a bit of relevant summary on the topic to save a Google search (assuming you trust it). It could be better but I don’t totally hate it.

I'm wondering what value you think has been lost through the book being a scan? Virtually all of the pages contain little more than handwriting, so a scan is the appropriate representation.

Re: The importance of handwriting is now better understood

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Post by everybodyknows »

edgyquant wrote: post #71
lgrebe wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marion Richardson Handwriting was first published in 1935 and continued to be used in schools until the 1980s. It consists of five copy books, each with a different level of difficulty, and a teacher's book that explains the methods and materials to be used. You can download the copy books for free from this link: [Writing and Writing Patterns]( https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.54007 .)

This seems very clearly a bot post. This is a non-sequitur to the other comment and the way it redescribes the context seems fishy and too artificial.

I've taken a minute to skim the poster's recent comment history. None of them look at all like what I would expect from a bot.
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