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Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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It's shocking, but it is probably happening all over the country. In USA there is a shortage of workers, including security workers, and police benefit from that. Some of the allegations amount to corruption, some just business realities. This is a job for FBI to figure out.

Shortage of good wages, not potential workers.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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It's shocking, but it is probably happening all over the country. In USA there is a shortage of workers, including security workers, and police benefit from that. Some of the allegations amount to corruption, some just business realities. This is a job for FBI to figure out.

> In USA there is a shortage of workers, including security workers, and police benefit from that.

You forgot the asterisk always required when one hears the phrase "shortage of workers*" --> "shortage of workers for the wage being offered."

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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I know of a local Volunteer fire Dept that went that way; started having the head guy and a couple of his big cousins go around and tell people how much the VFD needed support, and how flammable their house or business looked.

Couple months after that started, the guy's house burned down. I heard the trucks came out twice, the second time there were more people responding and the police got into the guy's barn with a major weed grow. Not sure what the whole story was but the VFD moved and became a different entity after that.

The moral is that neighbors enforce the character of the neighborhood. Not cops.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Childish reductionism. I'd like to see how well you handle 100 people ganging up on you and your family if true Mad Max style anarchy starts.

I don't agree with ACAB, but I do agree that there is a lot of dirty behavior out there that shouldn't be swept away with a weak, reductionist call to "childish reductionism."

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Already we've got two top-level comments who think this article is about crime. It isn't. It's about corrupt police shaking down small business owners under threat of losing their business license. ETA: Please give the pedantry a rest. Of course I know police corruption is criminal. That's not what the people talking about "crime" are talking about.

You would think that > about corrupt police shaking down small business owners under threat of losing their business license. would be a crime...

It’s only a crime if someone is willing to prosecute you for it.

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Childish reductionism. I'd like to see how well you handle 100 people ganging up on you and your family if true Mad Max style anarchy starts.

What's your argument here? That corrupt police who run protection rackets are worth it because they will, in the end, actually protect your family from gangs of 100+ people?

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Already we've got two top-level comments who think this article is about crime. It isn't. It's about corrupt police shaking down small business owners under threat of losing their business license. ETA: Please give the pedantry a rest. Of course I know police corruption is criminal. That's not what the people talking about "crime" are talking about.

The new mafia game's shaping up nicely.

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Childish reductionism. I'd like to see how well you handle 100 people ganging up on you and your family if true Mad Max style anarchy starts.

Just because X does good things and serves a genuinely useful purpose, does NOT mean that X cannot also do bad things that damage the community

In fact, both are almost inevitably true on any given day on both the best and the worst situations.

The key is ensuring that the balance is on the good side. This requires distributing power, not allowing it to concentrate in too few hands.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Even with guns, minimum wage people aren't gonna want to be heroes and risk their lives protecting the money of their boss, when threatened at gunpoint. Even if they're willing to pull the trigger, your average 7-Eleven employee is no Navy Seal and won't react well under gunpoint pressure and might end up shooting some innocent bystander or himself. Just giving guns to everyone is bad idea on so many levels.

I don't think this point gets plastered everywhere in the entirety of the world enough. Most humans don't want to shoot other humans. The few who have murder fantasies do, but other than that nobody wants to take a life. The concept of just arming everyone isn't a positive nor even a remote solution.

> I don't think this point gets plastered everywhere in the entirety of the world enough.

That’s because most of the rest of the world doesnt respond to gun crime with arguments that the solution is to issue more guns.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this point gets plastered everywhere in the entirety of the world enough. Most humans don't want to shoot other humans. The few who have murder fantasies do, but other than that nobody wants to take a life. The concept of just arming everyone isn't a positive nor even a remote solution.

> I don't think this point gets plastered everywhere in the entirety of the world enough. That’s because most of the rest of the world doesnt respond to gun crime with arguments that the solution is to issue more guns.

Sadly, that ship has long sailed for the US. Second amendment and all.
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