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Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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Why does Bandcamp look like it hasn't been updated since 2012? How many employees does it need if they aren't changing anything?

> Why does Bandcamp look like it hasn't been updated since 2012?

Because it doesn't need to be. Personally, I really like that their site hasn't been brought up to be in line with the current trends. That would make the site worse.

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can one stream a mix of music sourced elsewhere and bandcamp music? If people have to keep switching apps, I think that's going to limit the appeal to people who are a bit more serious/intentional about every "listen". There's a lot of those, but it's still a minority.

While not automatic, YouTube Music can do this. You can basically upload your own music. Create playlists that mix yt songs and songs in your collection. You can upload on one machine, and access the uploaded song from anywhere, so you're basically using their cloud.

Wait, really? Won't I get accused of pirating my CDs? Is it officially okay to rip my CDs to a cloud provider?

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post #397

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Bandcamp had 118 employees total. That doesn't smell bloated to me. (Source: https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/bandcamp-layoffs-oakland... )

You don't know Bandcamp's revenue, so how on earth could you smell their bloat?

Salary to ARR is only one metric for bloat. but yeah, absent that, as I said, it's some guess work.

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This is a plague on the software industry. No one wants a new design language every two years, or all the buttons in the frontend to be moved to different places with different icons. It's not "innovative" or "exciting" or "friendly." It wastes whole lifetimes worth of time for the users. Whole cottage industries are devoted to retraining on the pointless changes. Yet it always happens anyway. I'm not sure how incent…

As a user who absolutely hates un-requested change being shoved down my throat: I can actually see it from both sides. Innovation almost always looks like throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. You have to "break" things to figure out what can be improved. The problem is that we've gone all in on SaaS and pushed updates. Pushed updates were a huge win for security, and SaaS has some pros for some users an…

> These days we get "upgraded" whether we opted in or not. And we're all the beta testers 100% of the time.

This is exactly why I don't use SaaS stuff, nor software that forces updates.

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I mean, the big difference is I have used bandcamp and it took me about 5 seconds to figure out how it worked… I read all your info pages and I have no idea what Kuky is. The stock images with all the latin words make it seem like it is just a scam.

yeah fair point, we need to do better with the site... thanks for the feedback..

FYI the only kuky.com result for "kuky" on DDG is "web.kuky.com" which loads a "reward money" dialog that errors on submission and can't be closed.

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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Bandcamp had 118 employees total. That doesn't smell bloated to me. (Source: https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/bandcamp-layoffs-oakland... )

it smells a little bloated there's certainly operations that are leaner than that. a little down the thread there's people saying they could build bandcamp in a weekend, which is probably fanciful but also not completely off base. just on a pure technology level, bandcamp seems like a 3-4 developer sort of project. so they've got ~110 people running sales and support?

Infra. The "non-functional" requirements are going to be expensive and need a solid team. Scaling, reliablility, availability, dealing with huge amounts of bandwidth and storage, all that crap. I'd guess a dozen infra people minimum.

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I'm really bummed. I love Bandcamp. It's the only place I can buy music FROM THE MUSICIAN with very little overhead, and download a high-quality lossless track. Amazon only lets me buy crap-quality MP3s. Apple is opaque about it, putting either lossy AAC or lossless ALAC in the same M4A containers. >:( The only good alternative is Qobuz, which is frustrating to use and charges absolutely massive overhead. But unfortu…

There's also 7digital.... which is now, also owned by Songtradr. Or Amazon, which doesn't sell music in my country. Or Apple. Which seems to resent even still running the itunes music store, they don't even have a web front for it.

I miss google music. It did the job of a digital record store really well

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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Background, I work in diligence for software aquisitions. There are a lot of assumptions on this thread. I don't know the answers in this case (not sure if anyone does?) but I think it is naive to assume that Bandcamp was wise to be employing all these people. While acquisitions tanking a company with stupid decisions are super common, it's also super common for companies who are trying to look like they are growing…

> Background, I work in diligence for software aquisitions. It shows. I don't see lay-offs from this perspective. Instead, I think about each of the employees impacted by the company's reckless behavior. Did the employees have any say in this matter? No? Then who cares if the job they were there to do was unimportant in the first place? That is absolutely the fault of the company. Your stance is not effective when tr…

Your calculation falls apart if you are comparing it against no business - which is what happens when a non-sustainable business eventually runs up against economic reality. The whole business of not-profitable companies growing for years and hiring people on imaginary future money is tech industry magic beans shit. It's divorced from the reality of the rest of the world where people have to really work for a living and don't get paid our astronomical salaries.

I work as a consultant in tech diligence, but previous to that I worked for many many years for small, profitable, Normal Businesses. And the company I work for is a normal business that watches the bottom line and doesn't over hire because we have to be profitable. If you go work for a magic bean company that doesn't think being a sustainable business matters, you are, unfortunately, part of a ponzi scheme that can fall apart any time.

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> People hearing your music is nice and all As a listener, this is my entire concern, use case, and reason for paying for a streaming site: finding new music to listen to. I don't think I'm unique. Artists should get more, which is why I pay for Spotify Premium, but the use case of a listener is important. Bandcamp doesn't address that, for me.

does Spotify pay artists more for listens on premium? I seriously doubt it.

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