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NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by snapplebobapple »

gustavus wrote: post #15
williamcotton wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about a future machine that has the possibility of 3D printing 20 MT nuclear weapons?

If we get to the point where we are able to 3D print 20 MT nuclear weapons we've probably got replicators from star trek at that point living in a post scarcity society and then I will be 3D printing me a space ship to "Boldly go where no man has gone before."

Living in a world that is post scarcity on 20 MT nuclear weapons is kind of exciting while being terrifying. I hope we become a multisolar species before that happens because we will need to be able to lose a few when the above happens...

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by lrvick »

Friends and I have built a number of 3D printers using general purpose parts like stepper motors, steel rods, and plastic parts made with other 3D printers.

Anyone capable of building a gun at home with a 3D printer, also has the skill required to build the 3D printer itself. Next they will try to restrict people from owning a drill press or a welding torch. Or from owning rubber bands and rocks, lest someone make a slingshot.

This sort of law is proposed by the same types of idiots that think the existence or CSAM is grounds to backdoor encryption.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by lrvick »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #35
gustavus wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A lot of people forget that the word "press" in the phrase "freedom of the press" refers to an actual printing press, not the modern term that people confuse for corporate journalism. That's an ancient document written by people who couldn't even concieve of modern day "assualt" style printers. We need common sense 3D printer control. There is no reason any person would ever need more than 4kg of filament, these hi…

Let us be clear here I'm down voting because that much of dripping sarcasm just gets people emotional and doesn't help anything. Feel free to make a cohesive argument one way or another:). Long sarcasm tirades assume other side is wrong and stupid and aren't helpful. (I'm on your side, btw fwiw! But I still don't like dripping sarcasm insinuating other perspectives are clearly stupid!:)

No possible defense of 3D printer restrictions could be made, except by an idiot or someone trolling. There are no smart people against 3D printing we will be offending with sarcasm.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by lrvick »

williamcotton wrote: post #13
chrisco255 wrote: post #3

A lot of people forget that the word "press" in the phrase "freedom of the press" refers to an actual printing press, not the modern term that people confuse for corporate journalism. The 3D printing presses should remain equally free. If and when someone commits a crime with a piece of technology, that is when to charge them. We should not normalize the presumption of criminal intent, nor restrict even those that ha…

What about a future machine that has the possibility of 3D printing 20 MT nuclear weapons?

You can already buy a CRISPr kit at home with everything you need to genetically modify a coronavirus to be dramatically more deadly with a long incubation time for maximum damage.

You can also easily build a drone with a GPS from commonly available parts, then strap a bomb to it made from match heads and PVC pipe and give it a destination to fly to.

There are an insane number of ways anyone moderately intelligent can cause a massive loss to human life if that is their goal.

We should be thankful most violent types are not smart enough to do anything worse than pull a trigger.

The only way to stop humans from hurting each other is strap us all in solitary confinement VR pods.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by cvccvroomvroom »

elromulous wrote: post #11

Chris Rock solved this ages ago: "We don't have a gun problem, we have a bullet problem." Make bullets very expensive and hard to get. It makes much more sense to control the supply of gunpowder (and bullets) than that of 3d printers (or guns for that matter).

Bullets are easier to make than guns. So what's your next bright idea?

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by ge96 »

cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #65
ge96 wrote: post #8

That's wild man. They should track people that buy pipes and a hacksaw from home depot. Could be a gun, don't know.

That's the dumbest thing I've read all year.

Why? They have a box of pre-made bullets. Anything can fire that, tap it with a pair of pliers.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by cvccvroomvroom »

chung8123 wrote: post #21
elromulous wrote: post #11

Chris Rock solved this ages ago: "We don't have a gun problem, we have a bullet problem." Make bullets very expensive and hard to get. It makes much more sense to control the supply of gunpowder (and bullets) than that of 3d printers (or guns for that matter).

Wouldn't that make it harder to train and safely handle a weapon?

That's how California operates already. Defenseless population who aren't allowed to defend themselves, skyrocketing crime, and police who are borderline worthless.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by cvccvroomvroom »

spaceribs wrote: post #44
oldpersonintx wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you might convince a majority to legalize weed, you will not convince a majority to criminalize black powder

A majority of people smoked 70 years ago even though smoking was terrible for their health and those around them. I'm not sure we should enforce the "people's will" to defend such a dangerous substance.

That doesn't have anything to do with self-defense. Bullets are usable to defend against an otherwise deadly attack. An air nailer, a hammer, and a box cutter can be misused, should we ban those without solving the human social or policing problems?
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