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Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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Junodownload is where I buy music most. They have a wide variety of options and fair pricing. It's much easier to find and browse music there. Our link: https://www.junodownload.com/labels/Ruff+And+Tuff+Recordings...

Too bad their prices for lossless downloads for the quick searches I just did are outrageous. Don't even need to get into the very limited catalog.

it's a specialist catalog, but very popular within its niche

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This is exactly why I have Spotify rather than bandcamp. It finds music I like, regardless of musician effort. I found more new musicians in the first year of Spotify than decades before. It’s a loss for everyone if good music goes unheard.

That's interesting - I usually don't like Spotify's recommendations. Youtube was much better at that IMO, but I've tried to stop using it due to the Google connection. I don't really know where Bandcamp stands - I've bought music there that I found on YouTube, but haven't used it to find new stuff.

> I usually don't like Spotify's recommendations

It requires that you like songs, and listen, of course. I have around 1600 liked songs. It knows me well enough at this point.

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Alot of the time, you can just email their booking email asking to buy their album with cashapp et al and they'll gladly take your money and ship you a zip file of MP3's, assuming the band/artist is small enough.

And you could replace Dropbox quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. From Windows or Mac, this FTP account could be accessed through built-in software.

funny thing: i recently happened into the solution to that age-old question of "how do i transfer some file(s) between two computers in the same room". i now run an anonymous FTP server on my laptop, open to the LAN. prior to this Dropbox _was_ one of the solutions, but recently i've used that FTP server for the job several times with both Linux and Windows users.

yet, you jest.

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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Background, I work in diligence for software aquisitions. There are a lot of assumptions on this thread. I don't know the answers in this case (not sure if anyone does?) but I think it is naive to assume that Bandcamp was wise to be employing all these people. While acquisitions tanking a company with stupid decisions are super common, it's also super common for companies who are trying to look like they are growing…

Bandcamp had 118 employees total. That doesn't smell bloated to me.

(Source: https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/bandcamp-layoffs-oakland...)

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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I'm really bummed. I love Bandcamp. It's the only place I can buy music FROM THE MUSICIAN with very little overhead, and download a high-quality lossless track. Amazon only lets me buy crap-quality MP3s. Apple is opaque about it, putting either lossy AAC or lossless ALAC in the same M4A containers. >:( The only good alternative is Qobuz, which is frustrating to use and charges absolutely massive overhead. But unfortu…

I too loved Bandcamp for its sane approach to acquiring new music; unlike "most people" I refuse to use the streaming-only services, and insist upon buying albums and listening to exactly those selections I choose (and I prefer to listen to albums in their entirety, even today).

Perhaps I'm just old and set in my ways, but choices made by others, especially algorithmically generated "options maximizing my engagement", hold no attraction for me whatsoever. Losing such freedom of choice would be painful in the extreme.

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One can stream on bandcamp, through an app or the browser

can one stream a mix of music sourced elsewhere and bandcamp music? If people have to keep switching apps, I think that's going to limit the appeal to people who are a bit more serious/intentional about every "listen". There's a lot of those, but it's still a minority.

You can deploy navidrome, point it at a hard drive full of your music, and then stream from the frontend or using an app like subtracks.

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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prior to this, bandcamp was owned by Epic and lord only knows why they bought them or what their bigger plan was. i also have no idea how much they staffed up under epic rule since they went from a small business to being owned by the fortnite money man. Entirely possible it's something like: 1. bandcamp is a sustainable normal small-to-medium business growing healthily 2. Epic has tons of fortnitebux and is feuding…

Alternate, equally speculative but less cynical take on 4-5, largely advised by Songtradr's announcement here: https://twitter.com/songtradr/status/1709986126117630051?s=2... This may have been a last-minute accelerated deal process where Epic would have all but shuttered Bandcamp if a buyer couldn't be found, before they needed to announce massive layoffs to assuage investors. Songtradr is given an opportunity to se…

What do tech unions even do? Doesn’t seem like they can prevent this at all

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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It’s a loss to musicians to have a monopoly like Spotify (who likes to recreate popular songs with their own artists and label) be the gatekeeper to what is good music. From a service perspective, it’s great. I have the worlds music at my fingertips. From a music perspective it’s horrible. I have one company dictating streaming payments and terms on an entire industry and you’re f&$ked if you don’t play nice. Ask Tay…

can you follow up on the recreating popular songs and how spotify wronged taylor swift?

There's a ton of stuff like this, where the original artist isn't on Spotify, but these "covers" are:

https://open.spotify.com/track/6t6VE10ixs4wyyIgAbJzvz

https://open.spotify.com/artist/6RuIbUAQK9fmBq08AbY6XE

Honestly, I wish Spotify would stop "improving" their client and use that money to get more artists on their service.

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> SongTradr needs demonstrate that Bandcamp wasn't financially viable That's provably false. > He notes that, according to its co-founder, Ethan Diamond, Bandcamp has been profitable since 2012. > In addition, Bandcamp charges its customers (indie artists) just 10-15% commission rates as a retailer – and on Bandcamp Fridays, it charges nothing at all. https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/podcast/is-this-the-r... "I…

> That's provably false. Then why did Epic sell this veritable cashcow?

Probably because the employees wanted to unionize.
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