Glyphosate is great for killing the invasive Tree of Heaven which is rampant in my area. Really the only time I've needed to use it personally
Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Has anyone here tried the bespoke home-made weed-icide made with vinegar + salt + dish-soap? If yes, was it effective? A cursory google search suggests the internet is divided on this.
Has anyone tried not using any pesticides or herbicides on their yard? I haven’t dropped anything on my yard except for grass seed in 15 years and it’s fine. So what if there are some weeds on it.
I did. The neighbors lodged a complaint. They didn't buy my theory that the field of dandelions could be turned into wine.
Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
#123Remember when Bayer (who now owns Monsanto) intentionally sold HIV infected blood in South America? The people that own these companies would sell their own grandmother for $5. They’re poisoning the world, as science and litigation they couldn’t buy their way out of has evidenced, and we get people on here “hacktually”ing their defense. Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.
> Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.
It's used because it's effective broad-spectrum herbicide. My understanding it's quite a bit less toxic than its predecessors, and I understand there's no equivalent replacement on the horizon.
IIRC, the problem was they marketed it as practically nontoxic to humans, which is definitely not the case.
Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
#124Let's just take a pause and consider some key information: -This is an association study -If we CTLR+F "cause", "causing", "causal", etc, the only mention of causation is with extremely high levels of flouride and another mention with extremely high levels of glyphosate and zebrafish Now let's zoom way out, and consider the use of glyphosate in general. If you plot grain yields over time compared to herbicide use ove…
> When you consider cost/acre and calories/acre, it is also abundantly clear that for all its flaws, modern industrial farming is a technological marvel. Modern farming seems optimized for the wrong thing all too often: cheap calories. Calories are important (for basic metabolic needs) but not the whole story. Nutrient density and sustainable practices are worth promoting.
Well, yes, nutrient density is worth promoting.
But it seems to me that the populations of those who oppose herbicides like glyphosate, and those who oppose genetically modified crops with say extra niacin or vitamin D, overlap very heavily.
We have a new mental illness, generalized antiscience disorder. Motto: "It is better that a hundred million die of famine or epidemic disease than one person die of cancer."
Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Has anyone tried not using any pesticides or herbicides on their yard? I haven’t dropped anything on my yard except for grass seed in 15 years and it’s fine. So what if there are some weeds on it.
I did. The neighbors lodged a complaint. They didn't buy my theory that the field of dandelions could be turned into wine.
Is that a homeowner’s association thing or a municipal thing? Either way, that sucks.
I have some dandelions here and there but you only notice them for a very short while.
Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
#126Let's just take a pause and consider some key information: -This is an association study -If we CTLR+F "cause", "causing", "causal", etc, the only mention of causation is with extremely high levels of flouride and another mention with extremely high levels of glyphosate and zebrafish Now let's zoom way out, and consider the use of glyphosate in general. If you plot grain yields over time compared to herbicide use ove…
Nitpick: all studies only show associations. We draw causal inferences from associations. e.g. Duhem-Quine thesis.
There’s a meme on social media where people think studies break down into association studies vs casual studies or something.
Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it's causing problems it may actually work more for the party profiting than the rest. "It just works" is lazy...
I use it to kill the driveway weeds, works like a charm.
Well, let us know if/when you or your kids get kidney disease or any of the other listed diseases associated with it. I feel knowing the dangers and using it anyway should auto opt-out one out of the class action settlement. Ever try a weed eater or gloves? Gasoline would work just as well, probably less toxic
Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> When you consider cost/acre and calories/acre, it is also abundantly clear that for all its flaws, modern industrial farming is a technological marvel. Modern farming seems optimized for the wrong thing all too often: cheap calories. Calories are important (for basic metabolic needs) but not the whole story. Nutrient density and sustainable practices are worth promoting.
It's easy to be picky about nutrient density and sustainable farming when you have a full belly. Modern farming techniques have saved the lives of millions of people who would otherwise starve to death.
In countries that need it sure.
In the US, 40% of this food is wasted.
Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
#129Remember when Bayer (who now owns Monsanto) intentionally sold HIV infected blood in South America? The people that own these companies would sell their own grandmother for $5. They’re poisoning the world, as science and litigation they couldn’t buy their way out of has evidenced, and we get people on here “hacktually”ing their defense. Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.
Glyphosate is used because it works.
Not only does it work, it's by far the safest herbicide we've used so far. People love to complain about herbicides, pesticides and fungicides, but they're the same people who would complain if their food was suddenly 8x the price because farm yields would go back to the pitiful amount it was before we had these chemicals.
I've worked in agriculture for a couple years while doing my Biology undergrad. People who used chemicals had a HUGE increase in yields vs others.
Be thankful we're not longer using things like Agent Orange and DDT.
Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
#130Remember when Bayer (who now owns Monsanto) intentionally sold HIV infected blood in South America? The people that own these companies would sell their own grandmother for $5. They’re poisoning the world, as science and litigation they couldn’t buy their way out of has evidenced, and we get people on here “hacktually”ing their defense. Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.
Glyphosate is used because it works.
It works at giving people chronic kidney disease and killing them. Probably it shouldn't be used or legal to use it.