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Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by whalesalad »

Supermancho wrote: post #42
whalesalad wrote: post #8

Have y'all seen the movie "Don't Look Up"? It's a reference to the climate crisis but could very well be a reference to industrial agriculture. Then again, the climate crisis is largely rooted in our agricultural industrial complex. It's wild when I see folks defending the use of glyphosate... the movie does a great job demonstrating this sort of predicament. edit: looks like I am already being downvoted. outstanding…

> edit: looks like I am already being downvoted. outstanding. Either your point stands or it isn't contributing anything. Pointing out that it's being voted one way or the other is frowned upon ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html , near the bottom). It might be read that your motivations are emotionally based. Either way, it doesn't make the situation on HN or in the world, any better. +1, because I th…

I wish HN took place in a physical arena because it would be much easier to identify friends who are operating outside the bounds of honesty, healthy debate and Socratic dialogue - and are just here to praise corporate overlords and protect the popular narrative. This is why I make reference to being downvoted as I genuinely feel a valid criticism is being oppressed by folks with an ulterior motive.

Someone recently asked on a thread - "where have all the hackers gone?" I often ask myself the same question.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by CuriousCosmic »

Waterluvian wrote: post #28
LesZedCB wrote: post #18

it's doubly stupid because you can eat dandelions which are one of the many "weeds" people kill with this shit to protect their useless-at-best lawns. kill your lawn. plant native shit.

I need a ground cover my kids can play on. Clover is a really nice option. The tragedy is that it spreads like a weed, which means my neighbours must accept my choice or install some ridiculous barriers, harming the existing characteristic of us all using each other’s lawn as a common play area. It would be nice if clover was just kind of the de facto standard.

Creeping Thyme is a good solution.

It tolerates moderate treading (i.e. a family walking on it on occassion or kids playing but not vehicles or wheeled stuff), it uses practically no water, it grows slowly so it rarely needs to be cut, and it only grows a few inches in height at most so often it doesn't need to be mowed at all, and blooms in the spring with tons of tiny little flowers spotted all over your lawn.

It comes in a handful of varieties that all grow between 2-6 inches in height and have a variety of textures or flower colors.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by xpe »

algoatecorn wrote: post #26

Let's just take a pause and consider some key information: -This is an association study -If we CTLR+F "cause", "causing", "causal", etc, the only mention of causation is with extremely high levels of flouride and another mention with extremely high levels of glyphosate and zebrafish Now let's zoom way out, and consider the use of glyphosate in general. If you plot grain yields over time compared to herbicide use ove…

> When you consider cost/acre and calories/acre, it is also abundantly clear that for all its flaws, modern industrial farming is a technological marvel.

Modern farming seems optimized for the wrong thing all too often: cheap calories. Calories are important (for basic metabolic needs) but not the whole story. Nutrient density and sustainable practices are worth promoting.

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Post by parineum »

mandmandam wrote: post #38
whalesalad wrote: post #8

Have y'all seen the movie "Don't Look Up"? It's a reference to the climate crisis but could very well be a reference to industrial agriculture. Then again, the climate crisis is largely rooted in our agricultural industrial complex. It's wild when I see folks defending the use of glyphosate... the movie does a great job demonstrating this sort of predicament. edit: looks like I am already being downvoted. outstanding…

I know we're supposed to all pretend they don't exist and never talk about them, per the site "guidelines", but there is no doubt in my mind that Monsanto / Bayer / Roundup / Glyphosate goons are all over this right now. They swarm over stories like this. They gaslight and toxify, flag and bait. They're going to hit this one especially hard, because it's so important.

Is there no possibility that you're misinformed? No room for self reflection?

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Post by mvdtnz »

LesZedCB wrote: post #18

it's doubly stupid because you can eat dandelions which are one of the many "weeds" people kill with this shit to protect their useless-at-best lawns. kill your lawn. plant native shit.

The amount of glyphosate being used in lawns is not contributing to glyphosate in water supplies. We're discussing industrial scales here.

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Post by vondur »

candiddevmike wrote: post #2

Glyphosate is being found in US drinking water too: - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5486281/ - https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/environment/risk/... The common message is Glyphosate has a very short (ish) half life in soil. What happens when it enters the water table first?

According to the linked article, it reacts with hard water minerals and forms complexes that last up to 20 years or so.

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Post by sokoloff »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #43
LesZedCB wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just searched for "remove weeds from lawn" and while they do admirably suggest manual removal methods first, the last resort measures are indeed chemical herbicides, including specifically glyphosate

that would be an insane last resort, because it would just kill the grass. you'd be better off at that point to just rototil it in and start over

It's commonly used in a renovation situation: fertilize and water well in early August to get everything growing, then hit it with two applications of glyphosate spaced about 2 weeks apart to kill everything, then scalp it as low as you reasonably can and seed with quality seed of whatever variety/varieties of grass you want to grow.

If you believe glyphosate is relatively harmless (as compared to a series of 6-10 applications of selective herbicides to achieve not quite as good as the same end result), it's easy to understand why people are inclined to declare bankruptcy on their mess of a lawn and start fresh. Applying it in August, you could have a high-quality uniform lawn by October. (If it's far from harmless, then the series of selective treatments might be better.)

Rototilling to start over just surfaces a bunch of latent weed seeds that are in the top few inches of soil always. To start over, you want to kill everything growing without disturbing the soil and surfacing the weed seeds.

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Post by oasisbob »

tuckerconnelly wrote: post #29

> But when glyphosate encounters certain trace metal ions that make water hard—like magnesium and calcium—glyphosate-metal ion complexes can form. Those complexes can persist up to seven years in water and 22 years in soil. Isn't basically all water outside hard water? How did public health agencies miss this?

> Isn't basically all water outside hard water?

No, many surface water sources are soft. eg, Seattle and Portland municipal water supplies are both drawn from rivers in local watersheds, and have no appreciable mineral content.

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Post by declan_roberts »

imglorp wrote: post #22
candiddevmike wrote: post #2

Glyphosate is being found in US drinking water too: - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5486281/ - https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/environment/risk/... The common message is Glyphosate has a very short (ish) half life in soil. What happens when it enters the water table first?

Linked to Parkinsons and cancer. And it's still for sale next to fertilizer in the home box store so you can spray your yard and poison your family.

Actually because of these lawsuits it's becoming hard to find glyphosate in stores. Most roundup has a new cocktail of herbicides which will probably end up being 10x worse than the original glyphosate.
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