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Re: If you value Tor, please make a donation

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I was going to leave a comment on the linked page that a link to the project's budget should be prominent. I couldn't, because to do so, I had to either login via discord or github. Seems a bit ironic.

You can create an account with an email address if you click on "create your account" next to the "Log in" button.

Re: If you value Tor, please make a donation

#12

Am I wrong to assume that Tor is effectively a US government project at this point? It may allow people to bypass local internet controls (in some cases including government-imposed internet controls), but I would assume it is not truly anonymous.

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Am I wrong to assume that Tor is effectively a US government project at this point? It may allow people to bypass local internet controls (in some cases including government-imposed internet controls), but I would assume it is not truly anonymous.

"At this point"? It was always a US military/intelligence project, it just happened to be useful for their purposes to launder their traffic by making it available to civilians. It's never exactly been a secret, and the project has seen a fair amount of scrutiny for this fact.

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#14

On iOS, Tor used to recommend using the Onion browser (they probably still do, I haven't checked). Some time ago, the onion browser changed how it connects to the Tor network to use Orbot instead of connecting directly. I can not help but see this as a malicious change. Orbot directs all traffic from my phone through the Tor network. If an iPhone is secretly pinging some backend server for telemetry / looking for aut…

If you're the kind of guy who worries about the kind of entities who can ask Apple for information and get it, you probably should not be using an iPhone to begin with.

Re: If you value Tor, please make a donation

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post #14

On iOS, Tor used to recommend using the Onion browser (they probably still do, I haven't checked). Some time ago, the onion browser changed how it connects to the Tor network to use Orbot instead of connecting directly. I can not help but see this as a malicious change. Orbot directs all traffic from my phone through the Tor network. If an iPhone is secretly pinging some backend server for telemetry / looking for aut…

If you're the kind of guy who worries about the kind of entities who can ask Apple for information and get it, you probably should not be using an iPhone to begin with.

I hate this response. Not wanting your belongings to leak private information about you is not a desire only elite global hackers have. It should be the norm, especially when law enforcement routinely abuses their authority, double especially when the third party doctrine lets them get the data without a warrant, and triple especially in the age of global mass surveillance.

Re: If you value Tor, please make a donation

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On iOS, Tor used to recommend using the Onion browser (they probably still do, I haven't checked). Some time ago, the onion browser changed how it connects to the Tor network to use Orbot instead of connecting directly. I can not help but see this as a malicious change. Orbot directs all traffic from my phone through the Tor network. If an iPhone is secretly pinging some backend server for telemetry / looking for aut…

FYI: This change happened because iOS API changes did not leave another choice.

The new non-deprecated iOS APIs does not allow per-webview proxying/vpning.

https://github.com/OnionBrowser/OnionBrowser/issues/47

Also, you can disable Orbot for non onion traffic, or enable it for all traffic. Either way, not a good situation on iOS world at all.

Re: If you value Tor, please make a donation

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post #14

On iOS, Tor used to recommend using the Onion browser (they probably still do, I haven't checked). Some time ago, the onion browser changed how it connects to the Tor network to use Orbot instead of connecting directly. I can not help but see this as a malicious change. Orbot directs all traffic from my phone through the Tor network. If an iPhone is secretly pinging some backend server for telemetry / looking for aut…

If you're the kind of guy who worries about the kind of entities who can ask Apple for information and get it, you probably should not be using an iPhone to begin with.

This is a legitimate concern because this has actually nothing to do with Apple itself. Any app updating in the background can be impacted by this.

Unfortunately, this is due to API limitations.

Re: If you value Tor, please make a donation

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're the kind of guy who worries about the kind of entities who can ask Apple for information and get it, you probably should not be using an iPhone to begin with.

I hate this response. Not wanting your belongings to leak private information about you is not a desire only elite global hackers have. It should be the norm, especially when law enforcement routinely abuses their authority, double especially when the third party doctrine lets them get the data without a warrant, and triple especially in the age of global mass surveillance.

It should be the norm, but it is what it is. I hate to have to give a response like this.

Re: If you value Tor, please make a donation

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post #14

On iOS, Tor used to recommend using the Onion browser (they probably still do, I haven't checked). Some time ago, the onion browser changed how it connects to the Tor network to use Orbot instead of connecting directly. I can not help but see this as a malicious change. Orbot directs all traffic from my phone through the Tor network. If an iPhone is secretly pinging some backend server for telemetry / looking for aut…

If you're the kind of guy who worries about the kind of entities who can ask Apple for information and get it, you probably should not be using an iPhone to begin with.

And you know the criteria used for data requests? Do you know whether by virtue of a piece of metadata whether I (an innocent) would be included in a data request?

If you can’t protect non-Tor users from wrongful classification by the government, then you dang well better protect the privacy of everyone, whether you like it or not.

Re: If you value Tor, please make a donation

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate this response. Not wanting your belongings to leak private information about you is not a desire only elite global hackers have. It should be the norm, especially when law enforcement routinely abuses their authority, double especially when the third party doctrine lets them get the data without a warrant, and triple especially in the age of global mass surveillance.

It should be the norm, but it is what it is. I hate to have to give a response like this.

TBH your response ignored the actual inquiry. And the actual inquiry annoying assumed malice instead of doing a few minutes of research of why this change was made.
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