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California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Post by AskSocialist »

labster wrote: post #36
AskSocialist wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, I'll nibble here -- I would describe myself as a Socialist, and I'm happy to have an open conversation about the question you've asked. (Unless your question was rhetorical and not intended to be a discussion.) Can I start by asking you what type of Socialism you are most concerned with? Socialism is a very broad term with different meanings to different people. For example, I am a Socialist who is against autocr…

While I appreciate the sentiment behind this new account, it’s also feeding a troll. Anyone equating SF to Soviet Russia is not looking for reasoned argument.

There's a part of me that hopes that maybe, just maybe, there will be someone who listens and discusses and introspects a little. It's happened to me before, "Oh, all anarchists are kiddies" types who have never sat down and had a real conversation with an anarchist to understand what that term means. Every once in a blue moon someone listens and learns and says, "Well, I don't agree with you, but at least I understand you".

I'll keep extending that olive branch, quietly but assertively offering to discuss, answering questions. If it fails 99 times but succeeds once, that's one more person in the world who stops thinking in such rigid black and white about in-group vs out-group.

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Post by jcampbell1 »

PaulHoule wrote: post #6
dinkblam wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the only place on earth companies are fleeing even faster than Germany.

If they're full, it's a good thing. If we could get just 50,000 people to leave CA and go to a few swing states like PA and OH, it would be the end of the Republican party as we know it.

What is wrong with the Republican Party? Texas produces more renewable energy than California. The redneck attitude of do whatever you want on your land, and anti-regulation attitudes are far more important than political grandstanding.

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Post by vorpalhex »

asdff wrote: post #23
robd003 wrote: post #3

Yet another reason companies are fleeing California

Well that's kind of the point, get the companies that pollute with impunity out of our communities. Things like oil fields and refineries take up so much acreage for the amount of people they employ, and many are still situated adjacent to homes.

Assuming you like things like groceries that aren't grown in California.. you sort of want oil extraction and processing.

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Post by GenerocUsername »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #38
chung8123 wrote: post #5

This will help all the of the corporate tools like concur. You will have to have software to track all of this. To track supply chain emissions you are going to have to have a chain of logging that is trusted.

Don’t forget to track worker commuting.

And brightly lit downtown office buildings!

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Post by anigbrowl »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #15

Can we just tax carbon and stop with all the bozo virtue signaling? Pretty please?

How are you going to tax it if you don't track it?

stop with all the bozo virtue signaling

How about stop with all the well-poisoning and the cheap shots, and make your point in a more adult fashion.

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Post by g42gregory »

SpaceManNabs wrote: post #19
g42gregory wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think will happen when the Socialists will take over? Do you think they will look kindly on your various "freedoms" to be "different"? Check out Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea or even China. Don't think for a second that the San Francisco will stay the same under the totalitarian Socialist rule. The "intellectuals" and "different" people will be the first to go. Always happens, according to history, beca…

Some questions on what you said: 1. Those symptoms you describe seem more general to fascist/totalitarian governments than just socialist governments. Are you saying all socialism is equivalent to totalitarian governments? 2. Do you believe those symptoms are unique and in-masse to socialist governments? 3. Why do you add China to that list when it is widely considered by many diverse institutions to be state capital…

> Why do you add China to that list when it is widely considered by many diverse institutions to be state capitalist?

This is a very interesting point. The Chinese State itself (and presumably 1.5 billion Chinese people) consider China a Socialist Country. No doubts about it. They call their economy a Socialist Market Economy. You could think of it as capitalist underlying economic structure and total social control of the Socialist State above it. From social perspective it's still totalitarian, which is exactly what socialism is.

It seems to be working for China and, possibly, that's what the majority of the Chinese people want. I am certainly not in business of telling other countries how to live. My only point is that it's not freedom from the liberal democracy perspective.

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Post by justinzollars »

yieldcrv wrote: post #20
PaulHoule wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're full, it's a good thing. If we could get just 50,000 people to leave CA and go to a few swing states like PA and OH, it would be the end of the Republican party as we know it.

If anyone’s interested, I have a model developed that shows exactly which counties people would have to populate, which ones to ignore completely, while maintaining balance in the democrat areas for me, this is a non-partisan observation population wise, the republican party simply does not have the numbers to do the same. there are very few deeply red or blue counties, but uniquely the deeply red ones are sparsely p…

There is actually a great Youtube channel on this very topic! Colorado used to be a very nice place. When I visited in 2008 it was idyllic. Then it flipped blue and with it came all the blue problems. Homelessness, Drug addiction, depression, high cost of living, and a general sense of malaise. When I visited Colorado again in 2021 it was unrecognizable.

So yes. You will flip the whole country.

https://youtu.be/U-nKgfbCXHo?si=XCXROzd8JLwWZ0kv

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Post by anigbrowl »

vorpalhex wrote: post #43
asdff wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that's kind of the point, get the companies that pollute with impunity out of our communities. Things like oil fields and refineries take up so much acreage for the amount of people they employ, and many are still situated adjacent to homes.

Assuming you like things like groceries that aren't grown in California.. you sort of want oil extraction and processing.

Agriculture is one of CA's largest economic outputs.

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Post by anigbrowl »

AskSocialist wrote: post #41
labster wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I appreciate the sentiment behind this new account, it’s also feeding a troll. Anyone equating SF to Soviet Russia is not looking for reasoned argument.

There's a part of me that hopes that maybe, just maybe, there will be someone who listens and discusses and introspects a little. It's happened to me before, "Oh, all anarchists are kiddies" types who have never sat down and had a real conversation with an anarchist to understand what that term means. Every once in a blue moon someone listens and learns and says, "Well, I don't agree with you, but at least I understa…

Meantime you've fed up to 99 trolls.

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Post by mcpackieh »

anigbrowl wrote: post #45
anonuser123456 wrote: post #15

Can we just tax carbon and stop with all the bozo virtue signaling? Pretty please?

How are you going to tax it if you don't track it? stop with all the bozo virtue signaling How about stop with all the well-poisoning and the cheap shots, and make your point in a more adult fashion.

> How are you going to tax it if you don't track it?

This is a very good point, you should have stopped here instead of devolving into a purity spiral by attacking somebody who's obviously coming from a similar point of view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_spiral

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