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Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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He's thinking of engagement and discovery like youtube or the old MySpace experience for independent music creators. People land on the page and discover new artists and easy discovery of new ones.

Ok, but still, that isn’t something bandcamp claims to do. How can one be upset they didn’t get that?

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Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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As a musician once on there, I joined, spent a lot of time carefully designing my page and uploading my catalogue, and then I paid $20 a month for their premium service for absolutely no traction on the site beyond external promotion I did. The UI on BandCamp has been vastly outdated for ages now, it was very hard to navigate and find new music by genre. i only go there to buy music if I have a direct link. It's a pr…

> i only go there to buy music if I have a direct link. > Bandcamp doesn't even allow YouTube video embedding for music videos, which is a huge mistake alone. > Music platforms should be heavily promoting any independent artist that pays them a monthly fee... They seem to think that monthly subscription money form hard working artists is simply for extra file storage above free accounts. You haven't really understood…

Just calling someone dumb isn’t constructive. Instead tell them what you think Bandcamp had to offer.

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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> i only go there to buy music if I have a direct link. > Bandcamp doesn't even allow YouTube video embedding for music videos, which is a huge mistake alone. > Music platforms should be heavily promoting any independent artist that pays them a monthly fee... They seem to think that monthly subscription money form hard working artists is simply for extra file storage above free accounts. You haven't really understood…

This is exactly why I have Spotify rather than bandcamp. It finds music I like, regardless of musician effort. I found more new musicians in the first year of Spotify than decades before. It’s a loss for everyone if good music goes unheard.

on the flip side to this, I don't have Spotify because curating music is a hobby of mine. The research from various sources - forums, FB groups, Discogs, Bandcamp mailing lists, etc. is part of the journey.

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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Judging by the Bandcamp United's (Union about to form at Bandcamp) feed, it seems they were nearing the completion of their initial steps to ask SongTradr to recognize and negotiate with the union. The "Last Call" post was made just 4 days ago: https://union.place/@bandcampunited/111219165521125342 Wonder if it ever got started or SongTradr tried to nip this whole thing in the bud?

It also could be a purely financial decision. Bandcamp claimed $51m in revenue (I assume gross?) in 2016 [1] and, per reporting, had about $20m in net revenue in 2022 [2]. With the reported 210 employees, that's $95k in net revenue (not profit -- wages / costs are not yet accounted for) per employee. That is very low. You could easily see an acquirer wanting to be more profitable and cutting things like editorial.

[1] https://blog.bandcamp.com/2016/05/19/bandcamp-downloads-stre...

[2] https://www.fastcompany.com/90951664/bandcamp-spotify-vinyl-...

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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Could this be considered a union busting action? Especially if the union was planning to negotiate for remote work. Edit: previously said strike breaking instead of union busting.

SongTradr needs demonstrate that Bandcamp wasn't financially viable and thus layoffs were coming regardless of unionization attempts. They acquired BandCamp two weeks ago and layoffs post-acquisition are extremely common. NLRB can't do shit.

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Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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Bandcamp is an odd site. It's existed for a very long time and is simple (or was when I last used it a couple years ago) in terms of application requirements. Basically what I'm saying is it feels very much like a rails app you could build in a weekend. Direct upload mastered files to s3 from the artists, activejob to convert to various formats and throw back to s3 via activestorage, subdomain model scoping for artis…

Why is bandcamp so big ? I could do that in a weekend.

Assuming you’re not being sarcastic, what would be your next move on Monday after you’ve created your working prototype?

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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Anyone have some good alternatives for downloading loseless and DRM free music from artists? For Japanese artist I use ototoy.jp but that's a small subset of my library. Guess I better get what's on my wish list while I can!

The iTunes Store never went away and fits your description.

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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I'd say you're very much in the minority then. Spotify is notorious for its weak recommendation system.

Compared to what? Genuinely asking, because I like Spotify's recommendation system yet I always have the feeling that it can be better... even with the recent enhanced shuffle playlist and efforts to provide more contextual recs.

YouTube music, Pandora, I'm sure there are others.

Spotify likes to feed you back stuff you liked even if it's only tangentially related to what you're asking for. It also repeats the same recommendations for things like radio over and over again.

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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And the small hope I have that BandCamp would remain a good thing after SongTradr acquired them grows even smaller.

I use Bandcamp a lot. Tbh, if I had acquired Bandcamp, in efforts for streamlining, I probably would have laid the editors off too. I've never read a single bandcamp article. Did anyone actually read them, especially enough to justify their cost?

Nope, the only time I discovered music on Bandcamp was when some indie label was selling their whole catalog for a low price and I got the whole bundle. 99% of the time, I knew what I was looking for and came there for the lossless digital releases and/or to support the artist.
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