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Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

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Re: Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

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Daniel, from RCTESTFLIGHT on YouTube, has a series of videos where he experiments with solar airplanes, which wad really interesting to watch from the standpoint of a RC and electronics hobbyist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXvxJNOIXBsM83XxVG7tDUmql...

I love that guy's channel. He does some pretty fun and interesting projects. Bonus is when he writes and records one of his songs for whatever he's building.

Re: Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

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Fun to see this problem tackled again, I worked at a startup during the boom around a decade ago. Startup failed less than a year (mixture of funding drying up and a shitty founder). Wonder if the technological landscape has changed enough where this is business viable.

Quite a lot has changed in the past decade. Li-ion Battery energy density has roughly doubled, solar tech has come a long way (both in efficiency, but also production scale/costs for commercial silicon cells), and there’s been a wave of improvements for miniaturized drone/UAS hardware. On top of that, there’s 50 years of existing research into solar flight - we’re lucky that we can learn from that!

Re: Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

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Power companies on the West Coast might be a great market for this. The downside is that the plane might have to operate in poor weather. Not sure if imaging can make it through the clouds etc.

This might also be great for coastal/fisheries monitoring. Not sure how that would work exactly or who the customer would be.

Definitely coast guards for the third world, who are resource-constrained when it comes to coastal patrols. Again, no idea who the customer contacts would be.

Are you building a backend for telemetry/etc? If not I'd be interested to talk.

Re: Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

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This is a concern for us. As with many disruptive technical advancements (e.g. in Nuclear or AI), there are many ways our technology can be used - both good and bad. It's important to us that what we do is ethical - that means supporting and pursuing use cases with huge positive societal value like rural connectivity or wildfire monitoring. With that said, there are definitely ethically-questionable use cases for thi…

I'm glad to hear that, I hope you stick to those principles if the police or military come calling. They have deep pockets and your investors will want their 100x.

Making their plane military-approved would be extremely costly and frankly it probably wouldn't work. There have been a lot of people commenting about the military clearly wanting this and taking over the project, but what makes a plane like this possible is not having the same requirements as military aircraft.

My biggest concern would be weight & power. This plane only works if it stays light and doesn't use a lot of power. If the military wanted this for live video or EO/IR, how would that communicate with ground sensors? KU satcom, UHF? Will it have IFF onboard, will it meet all the no-single-point-of-failure requirements? Everything the military requires will start using up a ton of power and adding a ton of weight. I get people always think these things will be used for evil, but it isn't exactly easy to take something civilian and suddenly ship it off to some USAF squadron.

Re: Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

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The 24 hour test was with a sub-scale prototype at low altitudes. It turns out that testing a small aircraft in the thicker air at these altitudes matches some important physics of the larger aircraft (Reynolds number). Perhaps unexpectedly, climbing to 20km altitude isn’t too large a problem from an energy perspective. In a typical energy cycle, the aircraft has low battery in the morning, so if we launch with a ful…

Just over 20 years ago, a small model aircraft ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_of_Butts%27_Farm ) crossed the Atlantic in 39 hours using about a gallon of Naptha as fuel. The same year, the Design-Build-Fly club at my university built an electric aircraft which had some serious endurance and payload capabilities, though I don't remember the details. Keeping a model electric plane aloft for a day is impress…

Impressive. Did it rotate the propellor the whole 38.9 hours on 1 gallon of fuel?

Re: Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

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Didn’t Facebook pursue this idea also? Do you know the details and why they didn’t end up succeeding? https://www.theverge.com/a/mark-zuckerberg-future-of-faceboo...

I worked on this at Facebook very briefly. I believe the project was called Aquila internally.

I worked with a famous engineer who joined Facebook from a well known british aircraft manufacturer. He was an aerodynamics expert and was trying to solve the problems of flutter and other dynamic instability in the extremely large, high aspect ratio, lightweight composite wing.

I wasn't officially told this, but I believe the reason the project failed was two fold:

1. Traditional satellites became cheap enough that high altitude pseudo satellites weren't worth it anymore. 2. Facebook free basics (internet.org) achieved enough success partnering with traditional mobile network operators that it wasn't needed.

I have some pretty crazy anecdotes to share about the project if anyone is interested?

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