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California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Is there any reason to expect that these additional costs won't be passed onto California consumers? All the physical industry is moving out of California. Intel's last plant was moved out around what, 2008 (?). What do we think is going to happen? There is no magic. Companies raise prices and/or move out to the more favorable locations, including overseas (e.g. China, Vietnam, Mexico).

They will be passed on, but Californians expect it. The prices are high, and the salary is high.

It actually helps them: They can import cheap goods from elsewhere and barely notice the cost.

I've noticed this in NYC - things are just so cheap relative to income that people don't care at all about items, they are very wasteful relative to other places I've been, and they kind of have to be, because they don't have much storage space. "Buy it, use it, toss it, buy it again when you need it." In contrast in places with more space (and lower income) people tend to store things for reuse.

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Probably the only place on earth companies are fleeing even faster than Germany.

If they're full, it's a good thing. If we could get just 50,000 people to leave CA and go to a few swing states like PA and OH, it would be the end of the Republican party as we know it.

What do you think will happen when the Socialists will take over? Do you think they will look kindly on your various "freedoms" to be "different"? Check out Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea or even China. Don't think for a second that the San Francisco will stay the same under the totalitarian Socialist rule. The "intellectuals" and "different" people will be the first to go. Always happens, according to history, because "think different" people tend to question the authority and it's a big no-no under the Socialism. Oh, and you will get a free (somewhat crappy) healthcare.

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Probably the only place on earth companies are fleeing even faster than Germany.

If they're full, it's a good thing. If we could get just 50,000 people to leave CA and go to a few swing states like PA and OH, it would be the end of the Republican party as we know it.

Yes, institute policies that trash the state, and then flee the results and take it to other states.

What could go wrong?

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Is there any reason to expect that these additional costs won't be passed onto California consumers? All the physical industry is moving out of California. Intel's last plant was moved out around what, 2008 (?). What do we think is going to happen? There is no magic. Companies raise prices and/or move out to the more favorable locations, including overseas (e.g. China, Vietnam, Mexico).

Any carbon tax or carbon tax-like policy will be passed on. However, the _absence of a carbon tax_ already causes costs we don't see yet, when in the future, people die as a consequence of climate change.

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Probably the only place on earth companies are fleeing even faster than Germany.

If they're full, it's a good thing. If we could get just 50,000 people to leave CA and go to a few swing states like PA and OH, it would be the end of the Republican party as we know it.

Party politics aside, it would be unwise to use past elections to attempt to predict future elections.

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Is there any reason to expect that these additional costs won't be passed onto California consumers? All the physical industry is moving out of California. Intel's last plant was moved out around what, 2008 (?). What do we think is going to happen? There is no magic. Companies raise prices and/or move out to the more favorable locations, including overseas (e.g. China, Vietnam, Mexico).

Yeah, regulations have costs and economies change over time, not exactly a news flash. But California is one of the largest and most advanced economies in the world. The same is true of Germany, which has been getting the California treatment recently. And both are currently performing very well given the global context (inflation, energy) and have proven tremendously robust historically, which makes these constant d…

"Germany went from envy of the world to the worst-performing major developed economy. What happened?" [1]

[1] https://apnews.com/article/germany-economy-energy-crisis-rus...

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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If they're full, it's a good thing. If we could get just 50,000 people to leave CA and go to a few swing states like PA and OH, it would be the end of the Republican party as we know it.

What do you think will happen when the Socialists will take over? Do you think they will look kindly on your various "freedoms" to be "different"? Check out Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea or even China. Don't think for a second that the San Francisco will stay the same under the totalitarian Socialist rule. The "intellectuals" and "different" people will be the first to go. Always happens, according to history, beca…

Some questions on what you said:

1. Those symptoms you describe seem more general to fascist/totalitarian governments than just socialist governments. Are you saying all socialism is equivalent to totalitarian governments?

2. Do you believe those symptoms are unique and in-masse to socialist governments?

3. Why do you add China to that list when it is widely considered by many diverse institutions to be state capitalist?

Re: California to require firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind

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Probably the only place on earth companies are fleeing even faster than Germany.

If they're full, it's a good thing. If we could get just 50,000 people to leave CA and go to a few swing states like PA and OH, it would be the end of the Republican party as we know it.

If anyone’s interested, I have a model developed that shows exactly which counties people would have to populate, which ones to ignore completely, while maintaining balance in the democrat areas

for me, this is a non-partisan observation

population wise, the republican party simply does not have the numbers to do the same. there are very few deeply red or blue counties, but uniquely the deeply red ones are sparsely populated. so most red counties can be swung with a tiny population change to push over 50%, or can be swung by a tiny population moving there.

I made the model because I was surprised some super pac or some other well funded interest group didn't already do a relocation program like this

I’ll contract it out to super pacs and campaigns, and those interested. I did it in 2022 and it was too late for the midterms but its time now for the national elections

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