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About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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And the small hope I have that BandCamp would remain a good thing after SongTradr acquired them grows even smaller.

I use Bandcamp a lot. Tbh, if I had acquired Bandcamp, in efforts for streamlining, I probably would have laid the editors off too. I've never read a single bandcamp article. Did anyone actually read them, especially enough to justify their cost?

yes. there are gems to be found. the music writing has helped a lot of artists gain an audience.

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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A union does not need to be recognized for anti-union actions to be illegal. There are a lot of protections in place around the protection of the worker's right to unionize, and if you get anywhere close to infringement you're in for a world of hurt. If the union / workers attempting to form a union can demonstrate that the company knew about the union, and show that the action adversely affected the ability of the w…

> if you get anywhere close to infringement you're in for a world of hurt. I wouldn't hold my breath [1] about that. [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+nlrb+violation

Don't be too sure about that - things have changed just recently:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/02/union-nlrb-d...

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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I'm not a bandcamp user, so maybe this is an obvious question, but if bandcamp were to shutter operations, would the files in your local backup still be usable by you?

Yes, the Bandcamp files are fully DRM-free. You can download the music in just about any DRM-free format, I always go with FLAC. The FLAC files are exactly the same as any other FLAC file, just losslessly compressed samples.

Maybe I should pay attention in case Bandcamp continues to stumble, and take advantage of any fire sales to which that might lead.

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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Bandcamp is an odd site. It's existed for a very long time and is simple (or was when I last used it a couple years ago) in terms of application requirements. Basically what I'm saying is it feels very much like a rails app you could build in a weekend. Direct upload mastered files to s3 from the artists, activejob to convert to various formats and throw back to s3 via activestorage, subdomain model scoping for artis…

Why is bandcamp so big ? I could do that in a weekend.

Then please do it! We need more sites like this.

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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God damn. Bandcamp is where I get my music wherever possible - they're an amazing platform and product and I like the fact that my purchases are going to support the actual artists instead of vanishing into the Google or Spotify machinery.

I knew it was possible after the Epic sale that they'd get screwed, but this worse than I expected.

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Could this be considered a union busting action? Especially if the union was planning to negotiate for remote work. Edit: previously said strike breaking instead of union busting.

Looks like it, Starbucks has a tendency to suddenly close stores in areas where unions are attempted. Doesn't seem to matter to them if the store was doing well or not.

It's a power move to show any store can be shut down, and probably quite an effective method at that.

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Cheaters think everybody cheats when given the opportunity. Thieves believe only fear of the law is what keeps the masses in line. Liars believe lying is normal and that they’re only embellishing anyway and really it’s for the greater good and also pragmatic and necessary to succeed. There are many people who would not f their users and employees over when given the opportunity. Be like that.

Well, first of all, it’s transactional. I have no particular affinity for any given service I use. If another service comes along that has enough upside to overcome the momentum of switching, I’ll definitely do it, and I’m sure you would too, and maybe that will annoy the company. That goes the same for the company; if they have a chance to cash out, I’m sure they’d take it. And maybe that will annoy me. But the bigg…

> But the bigger point is that you conflate selling to a bigger company with more resources with “f[ing] their users,” which is just naive.

Because that's what happened to a lot of companies who got bought out - eventually the MBA sharks wanted their returns. Minecraft, MySQL, StackOverflow, Tumblr, Reddit, TwiXXer, they all fell victim to enshittification.

Others just ossified with steady streams of Big Money coming in like Mozilla, Wikipedia or a ton of stuff from Adobe. Or they got closed down by Big Corp because they were no longer "profitable" enough like Google Reader.

Personally, I'm happy enough that HN still exists.

Re: About half of Bandcamp employees have been laid off

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As a musician once on there, I joined, spent a lot of time carefully designing my page and uploading my catalogue, and then I paid $20 a month for their premium service for absolutely no traction on the site beyond external promotion I did. The UI on BandCamp has been vastly outdated for ages now, it was very hard to navigate and find new music by genre. i only go there to buy music if I have a direct link. It's a pr…

This is an interesting perspective to say the least. I’ve been impressed with the work their developer team has done over the years.

I can’t say I shared your troubles finding new music on there. It’s been the best place for me to discover new artists. The recommendation systems, following artists, and their unique write-ups on artists, scenes, genres are quality.

You’re take on what they ‘should’ be doing seems very misguided. I’m surprised that you think Bandcamp Pro is a hands-off marketing and promotion service. They are absolutely clear about what they offer for $10/month, and no where do they say they’ll promote your music for you.

They have provided an entire guide for _how_ to promote on bandcamp: https://bandcamp.com/guide

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