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Re: Post-truth society is near

#81
I think the complete opposite is true. We are moving, for the first time ever, toward truth.

We never had truth in our society and suddenly with social media, people are forced into reading the truth and it makes them homicidal.

Worse yet, this truth has broken the world. No longer are the USA going to be the world police with a goal of stability. They are now at least incentivized to create instability.

Re: Post-truth society is near

#82
post #8

There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that robots that are so real they are indistinguishable from people will come about in our lifetimes. The amount of breathless speculation since OpenAI released a kind-of-decent text completion program is so far beyond ridiculous at this point.

Makes me think of:

"Never, no matter what the development of science, will men, who have concern for their reputation, attempt for forecast the weather"

https://www.nssl.noaa.gov/users/brooks/public_html/future/te...

Re: Post-truth society is near

#83
post #76
post #31

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Yes, somewhat a different topic, but so much information now exists in video form versus written due to the ease of video recording. So many videos on YT that could be 2 lines of text are 5-10 min videos of someone talking about something irrelevant until we find the part where the problem is discussed. I suppose AI might actually be solution to this. Allowing efficient video search.

That works both ways. a short video about how to properly chop potatoes is better than a text document. They are different forms of expression

I suspect both of you are hopelessly old and uncool like me.

It’s easier to have a machine autogenerate textual spam.

Content production costs are higher on YouTube, so there is a lower ratio of spam to content. Some of my hipper millennial friends caught on to this five years ago.

Of course, that heuristic is going to stop working in about 5 years, based on current photo generation quality. (Just have ChatGPT 10 auto gen the script and stage blocking directions for Stable Diffusion, AV edition or whatever).

Re: Post-truth society is near

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post #83
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That works both ways. a short video about how to properly chop potatoes is better than a text document. They are different forms of expression

I suspect both of you are hopelessly old and uncool like me. It’s easier to have a machine autogenerate textual spam. Content production costs are higher on YouTube, so there is a lower ratio of spam to content. Some of my hipper millennial friends caught on to this five years ago. Of course, that heuristic is going to stop working in about 5 years, based on current photo generation quality. (Just have ChatGPT 10 aut…

This entire comment is really amusing to me. "Some of my hipper millennial friends caught on to this five years ago" has me chuckling.

Re: Post-truth society is near

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ChatGPT could fool a lot of people already. Unless you’re looking to probe and check it’s an AI you probably won’t detect it over a chat session, especially with the right prompt giving it a background, context and the right speech/chat patterns.

They are talking about physical robots. Replicants/cylons, as referenced in the article. I agree with them. Sci-fi style androids will definitely be feasible soon. Some of them will be capable of acting like humans, displaying convincing emotions, forming relationships, etc. However, they will definitely not be indistinguishable from humans at a physical level; not even remotely close. Even AGI will not achieve that…

They can start with virtual dolls (MMD) right now, except gpt has no idea how to move a body, virtual or not.

Re: Post-truth society is near

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are talking about physical robots. Replicants/cylons, as referenced in the article. I agree with them. Sci-fi style androids will definitely be feasible soon. Some of them will be capable of acting like humans, displaying convincing emotions, forming relationships, etc. However, they will definitely not be indistinguishable from humans at a physical level; not even remotely close. Even AGI will not achieve that…

They can start with virtual dolls (MMD) right now, except gpt has no idea how to move a body, virtual or not.

Generalized robotic skills may have just been solved.

The paper

https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/DeepMind.com/B...

Explanation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZdytTKeGYM

Re: Post-truth society is near

#89
post #5

Post truth society is already here. Disinformation has been on the rise the past couple of decades, and the results are clearly visible: conspiracy theories, election misinformation, and divisive politics where people's worldviews vary across their perception of reality. Photoshopping and lying your way to a narrative is now the norm in the age of social media. No doubt that AI will accelerate this, but to act like A…

Disinformation is a complete red-herring. It's about presenting people with content that they want to believe. All sides are engaged in it. The facts have never been either-or/black-or-white anyway. It has always been more important to teach people to think for themselves, how to empathize with people who are different from you and have a grounded moral-center. I think if you find yourself completely agreeing with a…

You seem to have interpreted this in a strongly partisan way for some reason. Nobody accused any specific party or groups of spreading disinformation. This was not a tribalistic argument. and by your own account you seem to understand that disinformation is something that should be combated with critical thinking, so you seem to acknowledge that it is a problem when people decide to believe in falsehoods.

"All sides are doing it" doesn't diminish the problem, if anything is shows how severe the problem is. Critical thinking is a good skill, but it's a hard skill for a person to develop if they are overexposed to disinformation. People cannot be expected to figure out what the truth is if they don't have trusted sources of information. You either have to guess who is telling the truth and hope they are right, or you have to assume nobody is telling you the truth and stop caring.

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