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Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

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Re: Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

#11
Very interesting! This sounds a lot like the more recent iterations of the Airbus Zephyr: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_Zephyr

I don't know how much you can share, but I'm curious about the solar and battery system.

Are you using silicon cells, multi-junction cells, or something else?

What sort of battery chemistry do you use? It seems like deep battery cycling is a must to keep weight under control, but battery degradation is probably the limiting factor for mission duration. The low temperature in the stratosphere also seems more challenging than what terrestrial vehicles deal with.

Re: Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

#17
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Solar is awesome, so I like what you're doing. Besides that "high-speed direct-to-device internet" caught my attention. Are you planning on competing with Starlink? Is 20km high enough to cover a big enough area?

There is definitely some market overlap in wireless telecommunications. But there are some distinct differences with satellite services. One big one is that our aircraft isn’t in orbit, so it’s much easier for us to provide targeted coverage over a specific area without needing a full constellation. Flying at 20 km also puts us much closer to users which makes high-speed direct-to-device service (5G) a lot easier.

In terms of coverage, from that altitude, we have good line of sight coverage over large areas. Obviously, satellites can cover wider areas, but it turns out that in most suburban/rural settings the ground footprint becomes limited by the population density and bandwidth available - so the larger satellite footprint is only really useful in extremely remote locations.

Re: Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

#18
I was peripherally involved with a similar project a few years ago. They got bought out by Facebook. This was before Aquila.

There’s a good reason why most airplanes look and behave alike: because it works. Technology choices like flying wings (not used here) or twisting wings (used here) are a “code smell” to my computer programmer nose. To me, nothing is sexier than good reliable technology that works. Smart investors will know that. The other ones will do you a favor by staying away.

The use of batteries to maintain altitude at night is a big concern. Batteries are heavy and will dramatically cut down on the usable payload. They need to be maintained warm (but not too warm!), which is a challenge at the low ambient temperatures the aircraft will experience while flying.

Most airplane accidents happen during take-off and landing. Please do not shortchange these phases of flight, and good luck.

Re: Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

#19
Do you have any ethical concerns about the use of your technology for surveillance of civilian populations?

That’s the obvious use case for this technology, right? Cheaper and more easily retargetable than satellites. Longer duration, quieter, and more resilient than manned aircraft, but not fast or maneuverable enough to survive in contested airspace.

So that leaves large area, long term surveillance in uncontested conditions as the prime use case.

Sounds an awful lot like cops or an occupying force putting a fleet of these up to indefinitely track all movement or signals over entire neighborhoods or cities. Do you plan to market and sell your technology for this use?

Re: Launch HN: Radical (YC W23) – Autonomous high-altitude solar aircraft

#20

Was the 24 hour test at 20km? Doesn't it take a lot of battery power to climb to that height? >we then spent 6 years working together on delivery drones at Amazon Prime Air Was that ever a serious endeavour or just a publicity stunt?

The 24 hour test was with a sub-scale prototype at low altitudes. It turns out that testing a small aircraft in the thicker air at these altitudes matches some important physics of the larger aircraft (Reynolds number).

Perhaps unexpectedly, climbing to 20km altitude isn’t too large a problem from an energy perspective. In a typical energy cycle, the aircraft has low battery in the morning, so if we launch with a full battery charge we have plenty of extra energy to climb up to altitude.

Prime Air - definitely a serious project, but I’m sure Amazon didn’t hesitate in milking the PR! Making a reliable drone delivery service at Amazon scales certainly isn’t easy. That team is still going strong and I’m sure we’ll see more from them as they ramp up commercial deliveries.

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