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Re: Analogue 3D

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Analogue makes some really cool, well-engineered products. But saying there’s “No Emulation” because it uses an FPGA is blatantly false. If it’s imitating original hardware, without being the original hardware, it’s an emulator.

When I hear "emulation," I think "in software, a la Turing-completeness."

It's like saying a Volkswagen "emulates" a Model-T. It drives on the same roads, but the internal implementation is quite different.

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post #4

This is one of those products where my first reaction is "Well, that's silly who would pay for that" And then I remember how wrong I was about e.g. the candy-colored iMacs. Let's see where this goes.

I’m not much of modern gamer but have very fond memories of playing N64 as a kid. Just last night I was looking for an N64 hardware emulator which could connect to modern TVs that could play in a digital format. I came across Analogue in my search, but this hadn’t been announced yet. If the price is reasonable I would be interested in buying.

Re: Analogue 3D

#13
post #8

The details are scant from this product release, but for those who don't know, this company makes the "Analogue Pocket," an FPGA-implemented device capable of playing most Game Boy Color and Game Boy Advance games. There's no emulation happening here; everything is implemented in FPGA gates built onto the hardware. Looks like they're advertising a similar implementation of the n64.

I have a Pocket and it's not just GB/GBA. I can play SNES, Megadrive (Genesis), Atari Lynx, NES, SNES and more.

Check https://openfpga-cores-inventory.github.io/analogue-pocket/

Re: Analogue 3D

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post #7

Analogue makes some really cool, well-engineered products. But saying there’s “No Emulation” because it uses an FPGA is blatantly false. If it’s imitating original hardware, without being the original hardware, it’s an emulator.

It's not emulation in software, it's hardware reproduction in software so the distinction matters for video games.

Re: Analogue 3D

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post #14
post #7

Analogue makes some really cool, well-engineered products. But saying there’s “No Emulation” because it uses an FPGA is blatantly false. If it’s imitating original hardware, without being the original hardware, it’s an emulator.

It's not emulation in software, it's hardware reproduction in software so the distinction matters for video games.

Sure, it’s not a software emulator, but it’s still an emulator. And Analogue’s use of “No Emulation” is dishonest: it implies that it’s somehow inherently better than a software emulator, which it isn’t. E.g. you can have an inaccurate FPGA-based emulator, and a highly accurate software-based emulator.

Re: Analogue 3D

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3D is one area where the FPGA model of emulation doesn't seem so good. The N64 is pretty low-resolution and low-FPS compared to modern devices, which is grating in 3D even though it has a nostalgic charm in 2D.

Maybe it's enough to be able to buy a "new" N64 for some, but I'm skeptical it will be able to overcome the N64's flaws.

Re: Analogue 3D

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post #7

Analogue makes some really cool, well-engineered products. But saying there’s “No Emulation” because it uses an FPGA is blatantly false. If it’s imitating original hardware, without being the original hardware, it’s an emulator.

There's a pretty big difference between a 1-to-1 simulation of the real hardware and a software emulator. Look into what it took to get cycle-accurate emulation of the SNES with higan...

Re: Analogue 3D

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post #6

There has been some criticism of Analogue lately from the retro gaming community [1] for continuing to announce and release new products while they remain months behind on fulfilling orders already placed by customers. The consensus seems to be that their products are good but add 4-6 months to whenever you expect to get your order from them. [1]: https://twitter.com/RetroGameCorps/status/171184720072736803...

I'm still waiting for any news at all about the "Available in 2023" Duo that I pre-ordered Day 1, but yeah: They did always deliver in the past. Eventually. And it's generally been worth it, except that if you were hoping that "Future Analogue Product" support on the DAC means "Pocket Dock".

They mentioned it again today.

Duo will ship in 2023.

Pocket Adapters are "on target to ship by end of 2023"

Analogue OS 2.0 will release by end of 2023. With display mode support for openFPGA cores.

Re: Analogue 3D

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post #4

This is one of those products where my first reaction is "Well, that's silly who would pay for that" And then I remember how wrong I was about e.g. the candy-colored iMacs. Let's see where this goes.

Are you seriously comparing a general purpose computer that was genuinely new at the time and had silly colors with basically the yearly reproposition of the same useless old repackaged emulator catered to nostalgic people?
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