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NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by karmakaze »

I was curious what NY does for purchasing a firearm and found this article[0] which says:

> New York is now a point of contact state, meaning the New York State Police NICS Unit will process National Instant Criminal Background Checks (NICS) when a customer tries to purchase a firearm. NYSP NICS will contact the FBI to determine if the buyer qualifies to purchase the gun.

So it's good to see that they're not imposing something on purchasing a 3D printer that isn't also done for what they're trying to control. But then the article goes on to say:

> For ammunition, the division of the state police will check a state record system to decide if a customer is permitted to purchase ammunition. This state background check is a new system.

Previously, there was no ammunition background check and gun shops submit requests directly to FBI NICS without passing through the state.

> “They’re putting excess burden on systems that are already working,” Jeff Benty, CEO of Just Holster It Firearms and Training Center in Elma told News 4. “That communication [between the shop and FBI] is severed off and we have to pass through the state, so basically the state has used their government authority to inject themselves in the middle and now charge customers a toll fee.”

> Customers have to pay $9 per firearm background check and $2.50 per ammunition background check. The state says the money collected will pay for the new background check system.

Seems like the state could be rent-seeking. I sure hope the requests aren't merely forwarded to the FBI every time someone buys a 3D printer (or refill filament).

[0] https://www.wivb.com/news/it-was-really-inconvenient-new-yor...

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Post by RiOuseR »

sirmike_ wrote: post #27

Nope. But NY can fuck over its own citizens until the Decision Class and Elites Leave. It may take a few more decades or years for them to sink into their own version of Detroit circa the 60's. But it is already happening across once large and prosperous cities. PS, an un-friendly jab: LOL; voting blue no matter who sure is working.

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Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by kobalsky »

jprete wrote: post #66

Is there any support for this bill or is it just a random NY legislator proposing a bill with no actual support or plan for getting it passed? EDIT: It looks like this bill is in committee and only has one sponsor, so I am thinking no, but one never knows.

Someone has to dip their toe in to see how people react. That no big names are behind it doesn't mean they aren't "behind" it.

The people who proposed this need to be put on display tied upside down somewhere so that the message is clear.

If someone tells you "I want to take a crap on your head", the apropriate response is not saying NO, it's making sure they never ask that question again.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by Georgelemental »

millzlane wrote: post #51
Ajay-p wrote: post #23

I should buy a 3D printer. At university I knew a man who said any time the government wanted to make something illegal to buy he felt a compulsion to buy it. I think I see what he means now.

Honestly I did the same thing with guns. All that propaganda about obama coming to take our guns had me hook, line, and sinker.

Gun sales spike whenever a anti-gun-rights politician wins an election it's well documented.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by squigz »

millzlane wrote: post #51
Ajay-p wrote: post #23

I should buy a 3D printer. At university I knew a man who said any time the government wanted to make something illegal to buy he felt a compulsion to buy it. I think I see what he means now.

Honestly I did the same thing with guns. All that propaganda about obama coming to take our guns had me hook, line, and sinker.

This is an interesting admission to me... Does recognizing it as propaganda not take away some of the power it has over you?

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Post by hcrean »

Please, dear God, don't anyone tell them about sand-casting...

Explanation for non-mechs: Make a shape out of wood with a chisel, push it into sand to make a void, melt Alu in a glorified BBQ, pour into sand to make a perfect replica of the wooden template. You can turn out 100 high quality "mechanical parts" in alloyed metal in the same time it takes to 3D print one in PLA.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by namlem »

irrational wrote: post #32
gotts wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely not a bad time to join 3d printing industry. Much more mature than what it was even 5+ yrs ago

What is a good 3D printer?

I have an Elegoo Neptune 2 because it's basically the cheapest decent printer you can get. Main complaints are lack of auto bed leveling, noise, and lack of direct drive filament feeder. Overall I have gotten quite a lot of value from it though. Printed tons of 40k figurines as well as functional stuff, including some stuff like handles and brackets I modeled myself.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by CamperBob2 »

millzlane wrote: post #51
Ajay-p wrote: post #23

I should buy a 3D printer. At university I knew a man who said any time the government wanted to make something illegal to buy he felt a compulsion to buy it. I think I see what he means now.

Honestly I did the same thing with guns. All that propaganda about obama coming to take our guns had me hook, line, and sinker.

Think how foolish you'd feel if a Beto O'Rourke got elected and then actually did what he said he'd do.

I mean, if they tell you what they're planning to do (and they usually do), and you don't believe them...

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by i_am_jl »

constantly wrote: post #52
gotts wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely not a bad time to join 3d printing industry. Much more mature than what it was even 5+ yrs ago

What’s a good use for them? I have been on the cusp of buying or building one for many years, but outside of the occasional desire to 3D print a random replacement or enhancement part for something, such as a new back for my minidisc player, which I can do via mail order 3D printing, all the examples at say Microcenter are just admittedly neat-looking but ultimately useless chintzy plastic goods.

How useful a 3D printer is depends entirely on how you use it. My recent projects were:

* Some prototype compressor wheels and housings for an RC vehicle

* Wargaming terrain

* A small enclosure for an oddly shaped LCD panel that I'm using as a dash in my racing sim rig

* A micro ATX PC case

They're useful if you've got complimentary hobbies, but if your reaction to a 3D printer is "I'd probably never use that", you're probably right. If you're not planning on designing your own parts, then mail order is fine for occasional use.

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