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Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

whoopsie wrote: post #76
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite the "Azure" name, Azure DevOps Server (formerly Team Foundation Server), is still a rock-solid on-prem system for git repo hosting, issues/stories/projects, build automation, and the rest - though I feel it has stagnated somewhat, and git integration still feels half-baked compared to TFS's previous SVN-clone, but is still my first-choice for on-prem installs (granted, I'm still wedded to the MSFT stack).

ADO is the death knell to collaborative modern teams. Who the f wants to waste their day with that UX and feature set?

> Who the f wants to waste their day with that UX and feature set?

TFS' UX is hardly any worse than Jira's.

BTW, if your complaint is based on your personal experience dealing with hideously complex Issue/Bug form-fields, "areas", and the like, then that's not so-much an issue with TFS/AzureDevOps, but with your PMs, who are the ones responsible for applying customizations to the built-in workflow forms. The stock workflow forms/fields are a (relative) breeze to use compared to Jira, IMO (but GitHub Issues+Projects are better, I agree).

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by botulidze »

tallanvor wrote: post #35
botulidze wrote: post #19

The problem with Jira is that we don't have many alternatives at enterprise level. Maybe for smaller teams ( I had a lot of hopes for Github Issues [0] but since they announced the product on last year's Universe event, there were not many news. Maybe this November they will come back with an update. At this point, I feel Jira is like WordPress. It maybe slow and overbloated, but you can have absolutely any plugin an…

At the enterprise level, I suppose you could be looking at IBM Rational or Microsoft Dynamics. I'm surprised ServiceNow isn't trying to break into this space. But with the amount of customization that ends up being demanded, I'm not surprised the big companies start rolling their own. For smaller companies, there's so many choices out there, I can understand why it's hard to decide on one.

> IBM Rational or Microsoft Dynamics

Thanks, haven't checked those two.

> I'm surprised ServiceNow isn't trying to break into this space.

Last time I ran SNOW a few years ago, it was slowly but steadily heading into the SAP trajectory - highly-customazible per customer needs, expensive to pay and even more expensive to migrate onto. And it doesn't seem to prioritize any developer-oriented features to appeal to that crowd.

I.e., they have GitHub integration but it's not something I could convince a developer to use on a daily basis unlike Jira's one: https://docs.servicenow.com/bundle/vancouver-it-asset-manage...

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by dbg31415 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #11

Jira/Confluence are two products that have gotten markedly slower and slower over time and as they've moved into the cloud. I observe load times that remind me of the 90s sometimes using their cloud apps. Incredible they are killing on-prem, but maybe it makes it harder to compare to the slow as molasses cloud offering that way?

Came here to say this as well.

All the talk about the office being a magnet, not a mandate... needs to apply to products as well. Magnets, not mandates.

Atlassian hasn't added much in the way of new features to the cloud instances, and the cloud options often take a lot longer to return queries.

And frankly, the "migrations" were never great... upgrading form some customized version of Atlassian (or just highly configured) to the cloud generally moved / changed things. Meh, sort of inevitable, but also really tedious. And don't get me started on how miserable "half-migrations" were where some teams moved and some didn't, or Jira moved but Confluence didn't. Those months in limbo with multiple logins and issues getting created in the wrong places were torture. Atlassian didn't really help customers with all this -- I was told they wouldn't even help us clone the Jira server so we could run migration tests... we had to do it live. (Something about Atlassian not offering another license without us paying for the test server as if it were a real server.)

Moving off Atlassian seems like a good call!

I pushed my org (at the time) to move to GitHub... we ran a test program, and it was successful, but I left the company before it was completed. I was so much happier with GitHub.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

The title is highly misleading. It appears they'll continue to sell on-premises licenses that are not perpetual and have a higher base price in the form of their Data Center offering.

They're just removing perpetual licenses for small numbers of seats (low volume). It makes sense that they want to push small customers to their cloud product, supporting on-prem software is truly laborious and best saved for your largest possible customers. That being said Atlassian is huge so they're either leaving money on the table or they're following the market. My guess is the latter.

In my recent adventures over the last few years, companies much larger than your average startup are increasingly amenable to cloud hosted services. I suspect this is in part due to how SOC2 has become so prevalent and relatively easy to obtain.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by InitialLastName »

firesteelrain wrote: post #69
steveBK123 wrote: post #11

Jira/Confluence are two products that have gotten markedly slower and slower over time and as they've moved into the cloud. I observe load times that remind me of the 90s sometimes using their cloud apps. Incredible they are killing on-prem, but maybe it makes it harder to compare to the slow as molasses cloud offering that way?

On prem is not being killed. They still have the data center products "To be clear, we have no plans to end of life or end of support for our Data Center offering." https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Data-Center-articles/The-...

This is the worst kind of correct.

On-prem will keep existing IFF you have the capacity to pay for 500+ licenses. If you're a small to medium organization that still doesn't trust Atlassian to run your business-critical services (and there are a number of reasons why one might not want to: [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] ) you're SOL.

[0] https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/scoop-atlassian

[1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-cybercom-says-mass-exploita...

[2] https://cyberscoop.com/atlassian-hack-employee-data-seigedse...

[3] https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/21/atlassian_critical_se...

[4] https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONFSERVER-79483

[5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1261040

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by dudeinjapan »

I stayed at a hotel that was having a massive cloud outage and I couldn't get my room key at check-in. That night I had dream that on-prem became the new cloud. State was beautifully synced with CRDTs. In this dream, systems never went down, the data just became temporarily stale. Then I woke up.

Re: Atlassian prepares to abandon on-prem server products

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Post by steve1977 »

botulidze wrote: post #19

The problem with Jira is that we don't have many alternatives at enterprise level. Maybe for smaller teams ( I had a lot of hopes for Github Issues [0] but since they announced the product on last year's Universe event, there were not many news. Maybe this November they will come back with an update. At this point, I feel Jira is like WordPress. It maybe slow and overbloated, but you can have absolutely any plugin an…

> It's also interesting neither of FAANG - except for Netflix - are using Jira, they are all on something home-grown AFAIK.

And that might just be the sensible thing to do. I can imagine that from a certain size, the effort of building it yourself can payoff. Especially if you take into account all the lost productivity caused by Atlassian products.

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