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The Sycamore Gap tree held a particularly deep place in people's hearts

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Re: The Sycamore Gap tree held a particularly deep place in people's hearts

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> The land in that area is rock with about an inch of soil on it, like most moorland - it would not support a forest, it never did(within the last couple thousand years anyway) . Most deforestation around Hadrians wall started because of the massive wall construction efforts (it was the HS2 of its day, the largest project the Romans had ever done) and to clear land so it could be defended easily. http://mandalaprojec…

From the article you linked: > The solution in Germany was a series of forts and fortifications, called limes, which used timber from the great central European forests and ditches to prevent tribal incursions. In contrast, large forests did not exist in Northern England and a great wall was built using stone... That suggests there couldn't have been that many trees to fell in the first place. The terrain simply does…

It was built of stone but the thousands of soldiers and others required huge amounts of wood, also from the article:

> Using modern day scientific studies of the region and inferring likely effects of the occupation, we can look at the environmental impact of this conflict. There were several major consequences to the environment. First, the area had massive deforestation, which has been confirmed by scientific studies and can be inferred from the increase of population on this frontier. One study indicates that, “it was not until Romano-British times that man had much effect on the forests of the area. Organized clearance and farming in this marginal frontier zone of the Roman Empire was on a scale unparalled in history until recently”

Re: The Sycamore Gap tree held a particularly deep place in people's hearts

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Instead of chopping down trees to build a bike lane, they should simply take lanes away from the road and make those into protected bike lanes. This has multiple benefits: 1) leave the trees alone, and keep the street looking nice, 2) not waste more space on vehicles, 3) make biking safer, 4) discourage people from using cars by making it more inconvenient for them. The other thing they can do is to restrict parking:…

Waging war on cars is waging war on the economy. The economy is our life support system. Aggressively pushing bikes as the only future of transport is kind of ableist. Fine for healthy young people, in flat areas, on dry days. But not for the elderly, disabled, or unfit. And public transport options need to be safe and comfortable. That doesn't fit with currently-trendy soft on crime policies.

> Aggressively pushing bikes as the only future of transport

Nobody is doing that.

> But not for the elderly, disabled, or unfit

Fortunately, when the roads are far quieter because more people are biking or on public transport, it becomes much easier for the people who need to drive, to drive! Everyone wins!

> And public transport options need to be safe and comfortable. That doesn't fit with currently-trendy soft on crime policies.

I live in the UK and our public transport is by-and-large safe and comfy (although I'd like more of it). And given our prisons are overcrowded, I don't think "soft on crime" policies dominate.

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Regardless of conviction, does having a motive for a crime typically increase the sentence? I would have thought it would be more likely to be the other way round.

Not a lawyer, but I would expect sentencing considers at minimum the details of the conviction. Maybe at that stage a lack of explanation under pressure presents as a lack of remorse. But before conviction, not having a motive furthers certain defenses, and those possibilities can be useful in the context of plea bargaining.

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Re: The Sycamore Gap tree held a particularly deep place in people's hearts

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At least felling trees to build things serves a purpose. Are those things worth the cost? Debatable, but at least there’s some attempt at justification. This one is particularly heartbreaking because you can’t even apply that cynical utilitarian logic to it. It seems like a completely wanton act of vandalism.

> At least felling trees to build things serves a purpose. Are those things worth the cost? I spent a little time in Finland a while back and although I didn't look deeply into it, my impression was they had a healthy relationship with trees. The country is heavily forested and they harvest many trees but they also replant diligently. One of the guys I spent a little time with there was also researching plant-based a…

I may be wrong but I believe the major problem with tree farming is that you lose biodiversity since what gets replanted is usually a single species.

Re: The Sycamore Gap tree held a particularly deep place in people's hearts

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I once decided it would be a cool idea to walk in straight line across England and began wondering how I would plan it. For some reason I noticed and realised my half way mark was a few meters away from this tree. As in if you look at a map the tree sits in the center of England where its diameter is at its narrowest - check it out. An odd thing. Looking at the topography from google maps and I remember thinking what…

"Wainwright's Coast to Coast": https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/aug/12/alfred-... Not quite a straight line nor the shortest, but a well known route. Someone posted about it on HN within the last couple of weeks.

Amazing thanks

Re: The Sycamore Gap tree held a particularly deep place in people's hearts

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I once decided it would be a cool idea to walk in straight line across England and began wondering how I would plan it. For some reason I noticed and realised my half way mark was a few meters away from this tree. As in if you look at a map the tree sits in the center of England where its diameter is at its narrowest - check it out. An odd thing. Looking at the topography from google maps and I remember thinking what…

If you're still interested in this, Tom Davies (Geowizard) has done the straight-line crossing in a couple of different countries and posted videos, both of some of the planning and logistics and of actually doing it. Two of the most relevant are walking all across Wales in a straight line (which did involve trespass on some farms) and dribbling a soccer ball the entire length of the Hadrian's Wall path. He calls the…

Yep he inspired me I actually did a failed attempt at crossing Liechtenstein it was so poorly executed I made the video private

Re: The Sycamore Gap tree held a particularly deep place in people's hearts

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It makes me feel some solace that this tree was just a tree. We, humans, gave it significance. But that significance was imaginary. It was just a sycamore. It was only special because we told ourselves stories, and decided it was much more than a sycamore. Strangely, even though the tree isn't actually dead, we pretend it is, because it won't look like it did when we assigned it significance. So really, nothing of va…

We will always look for meaning. But when we find it, even in something entirely imaginary (which I don't think it was here - natural beauty has a verifiable positive effect on humans), that's value. And trying to be reductive about it mostly harms your own ability to find meaning and see beauty.

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> Unlike other members of the genus Acer, it did not put on a blazing autumn display. Its big five-lobed leaves, with their irregular notching, merely turned a crumpled brown. No one minded. As someone who lives next to a neighbor with an enormous old sycamore--I mind! :P The leaves are gigantic and they fall late into Nov, so my entire property gets blanketed with sheets of brown cardstock! Alas it is worth the effo…

Oh no I'm so sorry you have to deal with nature.

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Re: The Sycamore Gap tree held a particularly deep place in people's hearts

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> Unlike other members of the genus Acer, it did not put on a blazing autumn display. Its big five-lobed leaves, with their irregular notching, merely turned a crumpled brown. No one minded. As someone who lives next to a neighbor with an enormous old sycamore--I mind! :P The leaves are gigantic and they fall late into Nov, so my entire property gets blanketed with sheets of brown cardstock! Alas it is worth the effo…

Okay, rake them up then?

That's presumably the 'effort' they're referring to.
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