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Daily energy expenditure through the human life course

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Re: Daily energy expenditure through the human life course

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You may as well ask if John Carmack is so productive because he's really motivated, why can't someone "just" make a productivity program that replicates this motivation, and then we can all be that productive. How is 'motivation' more potent than 8hrs/day which a lot of people do and still aren't as productive.

it's not at all the same thing. fidgeting is a movement. so is exercise. productivity is something more vague.

What makes you say fidgeting is /a/ movement? Fidgeting is likely a combination of many positive and negative things; I can imagine: more anxious people are subconsciously wanting an escape from a situation and fidgeting more, more energised and impatient people are itching to hurry things up, more musically or rhythmically interested people are grooving with internal beats and earworms, uncomfortable people are pushed to move by their chair/clothes/posture/tools, it could be a form of stimming behaviour such as enjoying the feeling of the movement of clothes against skin or the finger movements taking some concentration and helping focus.

And on the negative side, non-fidgety people might be more depressed or anxious mentally, more physically drained or fatigued or lethargic physically, may have had upbringings where movement drew negative attention from adults telling them to sit still, may have social upbringings where fidgeting was seen as 'acting out', may have been part a band or group where being still was trained into them, may find their own movements distracting or annoying...

Re: Daily energy expenditure through the human life course

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That's also completely canceled out by enjoying a single 32oz soda. Walking a lot and having a bad diet rarely even each other out. And it's so easy to cancel it out I don't think most people realize. A brisk 2km walk burns less calories than are consumed when eating two regular Oreos.

I wouldn’t be surprised if most thin people who claim to eat lots of junk food actually just eat a lot less regular food. In other words, they don’t eat many calories, but the calories they do eat are junk.

I would say this was partially true in my case. While I ate badly, I didn't eat huge portions regularly. I also didn't eat breakfast regularly then (and often don't now either). In college we got fish and chips takeaway once it twice a week,and while it was definitely the worst kind of junk, I would be full quicker than others. That said, I regularly put away a quarter pointer, portion of chips, fizzy drink and a cheese and onion pie (deep fried cheese basically, and amazing). And not an ounce of fat on my body.

Re: Daily energy expenditure through the human life course

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I've always been curious about my own metabolism. When I was a teenaeger / in university I ate pretty badly. Chocolate bars every day after lunch, loads of carbs, not to mention alcohol, etc etc. I was rail thin. I once got a body fat assesment when I joined a gym (I did no exercise at all and this was a brief attempt to get buff) and the person doing the test was shocked and couldn't pinch anything to measure. I had…

activity levels almost certainly. uni it's not impossible you were walking over 12k steps a day. that's 3-400 calories over the average american's daily steps of 4000.

As a student, I used a bus to get to school. As an adult, I walk by foot, more than an hour a day. Also, I didn't exercise in my youth, and I do now. Yet, it is now that I am fat.

Re: Daily energy expenditure through the human life course

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I've always been curious about my own metabolism. When I was a teenaeger / in university I ate pretty badly. Chocolate bars every day after lunch, loads of carbs, not to mention alcohol, etc etc. I was rail thin. I once got a body fat assesment when I joined a gym (I did no exercise at all and this was a brief attempt to get buff) and the person doing the test was shocked and couldn't pinch anything to measure. I had…

How much "passive activity" were we doing back in the day? So as a teenager, I was carrying 5-10kg of books and walking back and forth between classes every 40 mins. As an undergrad I was travelling across campus multiple times a day, spent hours on my feet in labs, did multiple heavy grocery shuttles and also spent a lot of time partying. In my first job, I was still getting up 5-6 times a day for meetings and had a…

I actually lost weight upon entering college because my campus was so large that my physical activity increased from when I was in high school.

Re: Daily energy expenditure through the human life course

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Strava tells me I burned 3,3000 calories this morning on my (4 hour)100km bike ride. About the equivalent of drinking 2 cups of melted butter, or eating 50 pounds of lettuce. When I'm doing exercise like that regularly it's hard to eat enough.

Strava’s calorie estimation is awful. Depends on the elevation gains in your 100km ride but I think that 3,300kcal for a 100km/4h ride is generous. 800kcal/hr is hard work and keeping that up for 4h is even harder. 25kph does not sound like 800kcal/hr unless there was some reasonable elevation gains. I’d expect at least 1000m elevation gain over that 100km for those numbers to at least approach something sensible. If…

    Strava’s calorie estimation is awful.
Re-reading your post made me think: I bet this is intentional design -- overestimate number of calories burned. Then, people will tell their friends about this amazing device from Strava that burns an unreasonable number of calories...

Re: Daily energy expenditure through the human life course

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Humblebrag? Almost 100% of humans are incapable of doing a four hour 100km bike ride without a lot of prep and training. Nevermind doing this daily.

When I lived in Denmark I was riding 2x 5km to and from work. I then needed to start going somewhere ~80km away, and I was able to do it without special preparation. After a couple of times I was able to do it both ways in a day. Now I live in America need a car :(

Why did you leave Denmark? A job? University? That sounds like a terrible trade for quality of life, including raising a family.

Re: Daily energy expenditure through the human life course

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Over my life I’ve been close to a small handful of perpetually skinny people who thought they had high metabolisms. In every case, when I watched them closely, I realized they barely ate anything. My ex-gf was one of these people and would routinely tell people about how she could eat anything and not gain weight. But when I would go on a severely calorie-restricted diet I was still eating more than she did on a norm…

One individual, Michael Rea, weighed (at the time of publication) 115 lbs at 6-feet and subsisted on a diet of 1900 calories a day [0], which he tracked meticulously. It's hard to convey with words how incredible this is. To put this in perspective, Ansel Key's subjects had to diet down to 1,500/day to get almost as thin. Super-fast metabolisms that cannot be explained by undereating or pathology do exist. [0] https:…

I just spent the last six months dieting down to 6% bodyfat and I haven't once gone under 2000 calories. Other than women, I know zero bodybuilders who can sustain anywhere near 1200 a day. Hell, Neggy Shelton's death was just exposed in the Washington Post from extreme dieting and she was doing about 900 calories a day, plus 2.5 hours of steady state cardio, and she was a 124 lb woman.

Those Minnesota starvation study guys you're referencing had to use an extreme deficit to get down to concentration camp weights like that over the course of a year. It doesn't say in there, but that article with Michael Rea was written in 2006, and finding other stuff on him, he seemed to have been doing calorie restriction since at least 1999. A small calorie deficit can add up when you keep at it for a very long time. Even if his TDEE was 2200 or so, that would drop 30 pounds or so in a year eating 1900.

For whatever it's worth, I've been that size, and it was not on purpose. I grew very quickly in middle school and was extremely active. By 8th grade, I was 6'2" 120 lbs and it took many years before I got much bigger than that, and I used to buy entire boxes of donuts, Little Debbie snacks, and family-size bags of potato chips on the way home from school and eat them in addition to the pizza and cheeseburgers they served at the school. And when I got a car and started driving all my friends home, we'd usually go by McDonald's every day, and in addition to just the actual food, I'd get a McFlurry, pretty much every single day.

But unlike everyone else who seems to be wondering how that was possible and what happened when they were skinny in youth, it's not a mystery to me at all. I sometimes played basketball for 18 hours in a day. When I was driving my friends home, that was usually after cross-country practice, running for up to three hours after school. I walked or rode my bike everywhere. I almost never sat down. I rarely even slept. I could eat basically anything because it may as well have been the Michael Phelps Olympics diet. I was insanely active and using a ton of energy every day.

And yeah, when life normalized in my mid-20s, I too gained a bit for a short while, then I adjusted and ate less, and now I'm very lean again, but also bigger because I started lifting and learned to eat on purpose, in an intentional, measured way calibrated to actually meet my energy needs, not just ad hoc having whatever I crave at any given minute and not thinking about it. I understand why people don't want to do this. Even though I'm not restricting like him, at least not permanently, my diet habits are basically like Michael Rea's. I weigh everything, prepare all my own food, and eat pretty much exactly the same thing every day. It probably sounds like a slog and people want to just free graze and wonder why we can't live like humans must have lived for most of the past 300,000 years, when diets and hunger levels seemed to calibrate to energy needs automatically, nobody thought about it, yet almost nobody was fat except a tiny number of super rich idle nobility. But that isn't the environment we live in any more. People are extremely sedentary and randomly selected food from anywhere is utter trash loaded with extra calories in every possible form for no good reason. Unless you have the activity level of a middle schooler from the 90s or an Olympian, you need to actually try.

Re: Daily energy expenditure through the human life course

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I've always been curious about my own metabolism. When I was a teenaeger / in university I ate pretty badly. Chocolate bars every day after lunch, loads of carbs, not to mention alcohol, etc etc. I was rail thin. I once got a body fat assesment when I joined a gym (I did no exercise at all and this was a brief attempt to get buff) and the person doing the test was shocked and couldn't pinch anything to measure. I had…

How much "passive activity" were we doing back in the day? So as a teenager, I was carrying 5-10kg of books and walking back and forth between classes every 40 mins. As an undergrad I was travelling across campus multiple times a day, spent hours on my feet in labs, did multiple heavy grocery shuttles and also spent a lot of time partying. In my first job, I was still getting up 5-6 times a day for meetings and had a…

So as a teenager, I was carrying 5-10kg of books and walking back and forth between classes every 40 mins.

As an undergrad I was travelling across campus multiple times a day, spent hours on my feet in labs, did multiple heavy grocery shuttles and also spent a lot of time partying.

In my first job, I could be sat in the same spot for 8-10 hours without moving.

A year in to my first job I had added 15kg (~30lbs ~2stone) - while consuming way less food and alcohol than my university days.

Re: Daily energy expenditure through the human life course

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I had to supplement with calorie shakes for workout guys in my 20's, just to maintain weight. I ate trash, and a shit load of it. And that's not considering the amazing levels of calories I would've consumed from alcohol. Same activity level now as then. But now if I think too hard about a candy bar I gain weight that never goes away.

> Same activity level now as then. As you go from untrained to trained you burn less calories doing the same activity.

It's actually nowhere near as simple as that, and it depends on how you define the "same activity".

Moving your body from one location to another at a particular speed results in a fairly static amount of work done (in the basic physics sense). So if the same you hops on a bicycle and cycles up the same hill in the same conditions with the only difference being that one of you has trained hard for the last 5 years and the other hasn't (but somehow your body mass has stayed the same) then you'll burn exactly the same amount of energy. Untrained you will find it much harder, but the energy burn will be roughly the same.

There are some things that can be different as you go from "untrained" to "trained", for example lighter people burn less energy moving themselves around than heavier people. Trained people tend to do activities harder/faster so the "same activity" could actually be a much harder activity despite it not feeling that way. Although if the activity involves travelling a set distance some of the extra effort involved in doing it faster is offset by the fact that it takes less time, so the difference between the two is not as large as you'd think.

Re: Daily energy expenditure through the human life course

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Strava tells me I burned 3,3000 calories this morning on my (4 hour)100km bike ride. About the equivalent of drinking 2 cups of melted butter, or eating 50 pounds of lettuce. When I'm doing exercise like that regularly it's hard to eat enough.

Strava’s calorie estimation is awful. Depends on the elevation gains in your 100km ride but I think that 3,300kcal for a 100km/4h ride is generous. 800kcal/hr is hard work and keeping that up for 4h is even harder. 25kph does not sound like 800kcal/hr unless there was some reasonable elevation gains. I’d expect at least 1000m elevation gain over that 100km for those numbers to at least approach something sensible. If…

Given that we're talking about cycling, the solution is to buy a power meter and measure rather than estimate. Unfortunately that's a rather expensive option for all but the most committed cyclists.

Being someone who has a power meter, I can say that strava's estimates over a long time period aren't that terrible, but if you're riding in a group, or there was a some wind, or a million other reasons they can be absolutely miles out.

That's hardly strava's fault, it's more about what's actually possible with an estimate.

What is completely made up and should be ignored is the calorie burn estimates you get from gym equipment.

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