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Post by jpdoctor »

bad_user wrote: post #40
corin_ wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People care about their HN karma - I don't know if it's 1% of people or 99% of people (maybe a poll is needed for that) - but certainly some people do. And because of that, "cheap ways to get a bit of karma" matter, because by their definition they are acts of people who are valuing karmic return over quality of submission, resulting in low-quality discussions that appeal to our lowest common denominators, not to our…

100% of active participants care about not getting negative karma on comments. This is good actually, because rude or completely pointless comments are severely downvoted, this being the punishment instrument that the community has for people that break the guidelines.

> 100% of active participants care about not getting negative karma on comments.

Add me to the list of people that really don't give a damn.

It would be interesting to see a list of the 10 most-downvoted comments. (I might have multiple entries.) Some things just need saying: People who will say them and endure such ignominious downvotes might well have a bit more experience than the avg user here. They say them to plant seeds in less-experienced folks, knowing that it may well take years to germinate.

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Post by jaredsohn »

corin_ wrote: post #31
jpdoctor wrote: post #11

> Is it just me or is it a cheap way to flood the front page for a bit of karma? It's just you. As soon as somebody determines why HN karma is worth a damn, then it's a problem.

People care about their HN karma - I don't know if it's 1% of people or 99% of people (maybe a poll is needed for that) - but certainly some people do. And because of that, "cheap ways to get a bit of karma" matter, because by their definition they are acts of people who are valuing karmic return over quality of submission, resulting in low-quality discussions that appeal to our lowest common denominators, not to our…

You should edit this again to not include two versions of the same paragraph.

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Post by richardk »

jpdoctor wrote: post #11

> Is it just me or is it a cheap way to flood the front page for a bit of karma? It's just you. As soon as somebody determines why HN karma is worth a damn, then it's a problem.

I think most people probably don't care so much about karma, since it doesn't really mean an awful lot.

However, getting negative karma hurts, for some reason. Often if I'm down voted, I assume I've done something wrong and either try to fix my comment or remove it altogether.

I hope no one down votes this comment down just to see if I remove it. :)

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Post by Killswitch »

Terretta wrote: post #44
Killswitch wrote: post #6

To be honest if the majority of users didn't like the polls they'd never make it to the front page... So I don't really see a problem with them.

That's not honesty. Fact is, a tiny click-happy minority can put anything on the front page, and the majority cannot down vote it.

I've never heard of many people just randomly upvoting everything... I've seen more downvote happy people than upvote happy people.

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Post by benologist »

cletus wrote: post #46

If anything, I think it just highlights the need to separate submission and comment karma or do away with submission karma entirely. (Good) comments add to the conversation. Submitting is just pasting a link. It's come up on HN before that popular blogs have bots running against them that post new articles to HN as soon as they appear on the RSS feed. I don't really care about the karma side of this but it encourages…

I think getting rid of submission karma is a great idea.

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Post by jaredsohn »

SquareWheel wrote: post #47
cletus wrote: post #46

If anything, I think it just highlights the need to separate submission and comment karma or do away with submission karma entirely. (Good) comments add to the conversation. Submitting is just pasting a link. It's come up on HN before that popular blogs have bots running against them that post new articles to HN as soon as they appear on the RSS feed. I don't really care about the karma side of this but it encourages…

I was pretty surprised to learn that the HN crowd prefer OS X, but yes internet polls (and really, all polls) can't be taken seriously. There has been a small influx lately.

If you go to any tech event in the Bay Area (at least) and people have their computers with them, often > 95% of people have Macs.

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Post by corin_ »

jaredsohn wrote: post #53
corin_ wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People care about their HN karma - I don't know if it's 1% of people or 99% of people (maybe a poll is needed for that) - but certainly some people do. And because of that, "cheap ways to get a bit of karma" matter, because by their definition they are acts of people who are valuing karmic return over quality of submission, resulting in low-quality discussions that appeal to our lowest common denominators, not to our…

You should edit this again to not include two versions of the same paragraph.

ooops, thanks! HN timed out when I was making my edit so I ctrl+A copied and clearly left it all in when pasting into a new edit box..

edit: How ironic that in this discussion you got downvoted for a useful comment.

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Post by Produce »

jpdoctor wrote: post #51
bad_user wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% of active participants care about not getting negative karma on comments. This is good actually, because rude or completely pointless comments are severely downvoted, this being the punishment instrument that the community has for people that break the guidelines.

> 100% of active participants care about not getting negative karma on comments. Add me to the list of people that really don't give a damn. It would be interesting to see a list of the 10 most-downvoted comments. (I might have multiple entries.) Some things just need saying: People who will say them and endure such ignominious downvotes might well have a bit more experience than the avg user here. They say them to p…

>Add me to the list of people that really don't give a damn.

And me.

There is a lot of value in expressing opinions which go against the grain, even if they are not easily accepted. It's only through honest debate that the truth can be found.

While HN's voting system is superior to that of other social news sites, I still think that the down arrow should have a "report" link instead to make people think twice about down-voting someone's opinion, assuming that the opinion is honest. Upvotes are harmless, assuming that spam is taken care of, and I see no problem with that aspect of the behaviour of such a system.

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Post by calpaterson »

SquareWheel wrote: post #47
cletus wrote: post #46

If anything, I think it just highlights the need to separate submission and comment karma or do away with submission karma entirely. (Good) comments add to the conversation. Submitting is just pasting a link. It's come up on HN before that popular blogs have bots running against them that post new articles to HN as soon as they appear on the RSS feed. I don't really care about the karma side of this but it encourages…

I was pretty surprised to learn that the HN crowd prefer OS X, but yes internet polls (and really, all polls) can't be taken seriously. There has been a small influx lately.

I'm surprised that you were surprised. Around me, there has been a huge and obvious increase over the last few years in OSX market share among startup-profile developers.
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