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Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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Post by sandworm101 » Sun, Oct 15, 2023, 1:26 PM UTC

Enjoy the remote work now. It is a bubble. Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. Those who had normal jobs pre-covid, and since are totally remote, ride a wave of higher wages. That wave will crash the day employers realize they can find cheaper talent online. If you work remotely then you have to be competative at an international level. Maybe you really are of the best in the word, but there is only so much room at the top. Beware of starting careers so easily outsourced.

I would also hazard that any job easily done remotely is also ripe for takeover by AI. If your job requires no in-person contact, it might not require a person full stop.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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Post by ghaff » Sun, Oct 15, 2023, 1:27 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #28

nytesky wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is an interesting comparison, since streaming is bankrupting all the media companies and will likely change movie studios for the worst.

Streaming is not bankrupting media companies, the fact that there are numerous other ways to spend your time viewing content from numerous other content makers is changing the market for media companies. Had media companies maintained their exclusivity on people’s screen time, then they would be in an even better position. But the supply of content exploded, from video games to YouTube to TikTok and Instagram and eve…

It's probably also true that streaming almost certainly aligns to different types, quantity, and production values of content overall. And there are always ongoing demographic and public fashion trends going on as well.

I agree with your point about competition. On the other hand, mindless channel surfing has mostly been replaced at the same time. People do it to some degree with streaming and even channels setup for the purpose--but it's a less natural fit.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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Post by artemonster » Sun, Oct 15, 2023, 1:28 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #31

Enjoy the remote work now. It is a bubble. Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. Those who had normal jobs pre-covid, and since are totally remote, ride a wave of higher wages. That wave will crash the day employers realize they can find cheaper talent online. If you work remotely then you have to be competative at an international level. Maybe you really a…

I am perfectly fine with that, what are you trying to say with this?

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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Post by ravenstine » Sun, Oct 15, 2023, 1:31 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #31

Enjoy the remote work now. It is a bubble. Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. Those who had normal jobs pre-covid, and since are totally remote, ride a wave of higher wages. That wave will crash the day employers realize they can find cheaper talent online. If you work remotely then you have to be competative at an international level. Maybe you really a…

> Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market.

People have been saying that since time immemorial, way before the current remote work era. Heck, I remember that being said about programming jobs when I was in high school 18+ years ago. I'm still waiting for my job to be replaced by Indians.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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Post by ghaff » Sun, Oct 15, 2023, 1:37 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #27

benreesman wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a law firm, the most senior partner is a lawyer (and usually bills out among the highest). In a hospital, the head of surgery is a surgeon (and usually one of the best). In a fabrication shop, the boss is a pro with the materials. Software is, AFAIK, the only wildly demanding field where senior leaders who can’t even remotely do the thing is considered normal.

> Software is, AFAIK, the only wildly demanding field where senior leaders who can’t even remotely do the thing is considered normal. For what it's worth: just because you're the top dog in your field that doesn't mean you're a good manager. We should actually insist on rolling out separate management and career tracks because either require completely different skillsets.

15 minutes of research would probably get you the names of highly successful technical people who spectacularly flamed out in a senior management role and incredibly successful CEOs of technical companies who lacked pretty much any hands-on technical experience.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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Post by ethanbond » Sun, Oct 15, 2023, 1:37 PM UTC

_cenw wrote: post #13

wildrhythms wrote: post #9

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It's the tax breaks: >Of the billions in tax incentives granted to US companies every year by cities and states, many agreements require workers to come into the office some of the time, or at least live in the region. For companies receiving these incentives, relaxing in-office attendance could be costly. >The contracts were crafted in a pre-pandemic era, at a time when commutes to the office were a given. Now gover…

Maybe that's a small part, but even if you look internationally, 87% of CEOs in the 2023 CEO KPMG poll want return to the fiefdo-- office. https://kpmg.com/xx/en/home/media/press-releases/2023/09/ceo...

Do similar tax breaks not exist outside the US? Seems like a sensible thing for the municipality to provide and for businesses to accept, in general.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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Post by sandworm101 » Sun, Oct 15, 2023, 1:39 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #28

nytesky wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is an interesting comparison, since streaming is bankrupting all the media companies and will likely change movie studios for the worst.

Streaming is not bankrupting media companies, the fact that there are numerous other ways to spend your time viewing content from numerous other content makers is changing the market for media companies. Had media companies maintained their exclusivity on people’s screen time, then they would be in an even better position. But the supply of content exploded, from video games to YouTube to TikTok and Instagram and eve…

And lower prices almost universally means lower profits for manufacturers. As prices fall, factories increase production and efficiency as they chase a diminishing profit margin. They are running flat out right until that margin disappears and everything suddenly stops. The frantic rate of tv/film production today, the insane production costs for a marginal return, fits that pattern.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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Post by bloqs » Sun, Oct 15, 2023, 1:40 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #31

Enjoy the remote work now. It is a bubble. Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. Those who had normal jobs pre-covid, and since are totally remote, ride a wave of higher wages. That wave will crash the day employers realize they can find cheaper talent online. If you work remotely then you have to be competative at an international level. Maybe you really a…

Risk and accountability are why this is wrong. Local jurisdiction will be the limit to this in many instances. Adherence to local law will be politically controlled. "They took our jobs" as South Park once mocked.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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Post by bvoq » Sun, Oct 15, 2023, 1:40 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #31

Enjoy the remote work now. It is a bubble. Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. Those who had normal jobs pre-covid, and since are totally remote, ride a wave of higher wages. That wave will crash the day employers realize they can find cheaper talent online. If you work remotely then you have to be competative at an international level. Maybe you really a…

At least I can afford a house with heating outside of London, lol.

Re: Nvidia, one of tech's hottest companies, is fine with remote work

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Post by ejb999 » Sun, Oct 15, 2023, 1:43 PM UTC

ravenstine wrote: post #34

sandworm101 wrote: post #31

Enjoy the remote work now. It is a bubble. Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. Those who had normal jobs pre-covid, and since are totally remote, ride a wave of higher wages. That wave will crash the day employers realize they can find cheaper talent online. If you work remotely then you have to be competative at an international level. Maybe you really a…

> Any job that can be worked 100% remotely can equally be 100% outsourced to a cheaper labor market. People have been saying that since time immemorial, way before the current remote work era. Heck, I remember that being said about programming jobs when I was in high school 18+ years ago. I'm still waiting for my job to be replaced by Indians.

being early is not the same as being wrong though.