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Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

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Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

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post #6

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This, CF is the only service that I find amazing, and that I do not use for anything. Compared to AWS, I think I prefer the "we're your unopinionated infra provider, if you want a WAF we have that too", vs the CF "block the world, especially the developing world, give zero craps about it". I fundamentally would be unhappy as their customer even if their service were stellar because I do not want my apps to be associa…

Is blocking users from Nigeria an official policy? Can anyone link me to either their official policy or to studies of which countries are blocked and how complete the block is?

CF blocks "bad rep" IP blocks. I think nigeria part was a joke

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is blocking users from Nigeria an official policy? Can anyone link me to either their official policy or to studies of which countries are blocked and how complete the block is?

Blocking suspicious traffic is a setting you can easily toggle off in Cloudflare. Cloudflare doesn’t “block” anything universally everything is completely configurable (other than obvious exploits like mass-blocking the recent http/2 attacks)

Gotcha, thank you.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

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Not sure about the parent commender, but a few of the small SaaS companies I've worked with were regularly targeted by carding and credential stuffing attacks. I don't know whether the attackers ever realised much direct benefit from targeting them, I always thought they were just soft targets for validating credit card or credential lists. But if you don't have any DDoS protection set up, either of these attacks wil…

Those are completely different things though. If someone is trying to validate credentials/cards using your service, they're not trying to DoS it. Those types are usually using only a few IPs and are easy to detect/block (or even tarpit and help others) at app/proxy level. (Multiple failures for different usernames - block for some time) You need DDoS protection when someone does not want your service to stay up.

For small SaaS companies they are definitely not easy to detect and the card fees alone until you detect might make you not make payroll that month or go out of business.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

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9 cents a gigabyte downloaded versus 0 cents a gigabyte downloaded is a pretty good deal. There’s not much AWS can do about it because they must make untold billions from those sweet, sweet S3 egress fees. I’d be willing to bet S3 egress fees make up about 60% of all AWS revenue.

S3 egress and inter-AZ traffic. The way they advertise multi-AZ should honestly be illegal, or at least include warnings about charges.

Like when you set up an RDS instance, the “prod” template defaults to multi-AZ (a good idea tbf), but completely elides the fact that if your app is in a different AZ, you’re going to start racking up $0.02/GB.

Same with NLBs and cross-AZ routing. Sure, it can be helpful, but yeesh.

Or EKS, since Topology Aware Routing is in no way a default.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

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But who guarantees that Cloudflare will not charge me for egress in the future? Sure nobody guarantees either that S3 won't becomer more expensive, but migrating to another provider just because right now they are cheaper without guarantees of their price in the future seems short-termist.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

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Great to finally see this here! Cloudflare is the 4th major cloud platform that (almost) nobody is seeing coming, and I believe that they will even surpass Google Cloud Platform's sooner than expected. The only problem that remains is their support... I'm writing a book about Cloudflare (launching very soon) where I share this and many other things to scale faster all while saving big on your cloud bills. You can joi…

100% agreed.

The most consistently amazing thing about Cloudflare is the clarity of their product positioning.

You have this common problem, we built a thing to fix it.

No 'change your problem into this other problem' gymnastics. Just 'pay us once you exceed the free tier, and it's no longer a problem'.

And furthermore, they seem to have clarity of platform vision, in that each piece does something very specific to help them compete efficiently against AWS/Azure/GCP (who have much larger resources) AND has synergies with their existing platform. E.g. edge compute, free/cheaper network traffic from compute/storage

Critically, Cloudflare seems like the only competitor to the majors that has their eyes on competing on price by capturing enough of the market of {some thing} that they can still make profits at extremely low price points.

Also, just glanced at their financials again, and they look exactly like you'd want to run a large company if your eye was on order of magnitude growth. They just pivoted to positive FCF in 2023, biggest expense is sales and marketing (over half their gross profit), and have exponential revenue growth.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

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post #58

But who guarantees that Cloudflare will not charge me for egress in the future? Sure nobody guarantees either that S3 won't becomer more expensive, but migrating to another provider just because right now they are cheaper without guarantees of their price in the future seems short-termist.

You can't guarantee anything from anyone like that, but they've made their position clear regarding egress fees:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/ comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27930151

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