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Google has sent internet into 'spiral of decline', claims DeepMind co-founder

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Honestly, the "golden days" of using reddit for that purpose are over, too. Both the fact that random other crap comes up due to how stuff is linked on reddit and generally most search engines being too lenient with your search terms and finally more and more conversation going to discord and other places that cannot be searched. It really is one of the most unfortunate things of the modern internet. :(

Reddit is very wrong about almost every discipline I have experience in and can speak on as an expert. I feel like I'd suffer from Gell-Mann amnesia if I paid it any mind. I think there's a good degree of pseudo-intellectualism on the site. Not necessarily in the conduct, but in claims of knowledge and the certainty they present it with. There was a period in my life I've been active on Reddit myself. Looking back on…

When you need to find useful information on the web, people on Reddit are better than any search engine. Nothing yet beats human mind.

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"Search results plagued with ‘clickbait’ would have been an understatement 20 years ago. The parts of the open web you access from Google/search (most of it) is almost entirely made-for-google' ranking algorithims. The situation is worse than it is on closed social media, including Google's YouTube. Professional YouTubers are also making content for rankings above all, but the fact that it's their own face/voice keep…

> I was recently looking for general travel advice on Google. I found it completely impossible. Try Wikivoyage, the Wikipedia Foundation's open travel guide. Listings are a mixed bag, but the general advice is often spot on.

Everyone centralizing around a few sources to deal with the web turning to garbage is a symptom of the problem. Google should return travelogues and official websites for locales, maybe offer hotel and flight bookings, not an endless scroll of spun and AI-generated trash.

They shouldn't have to site:wikivoyage.org just to find anything useful. You shouldn't need site:reddit.com to make general searches useful. This is broken.

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post #191

"Search results plagued with ‘clickbait’ would have been an understatement 20 years ago. The parts of the open web you access from Google/search (most of it) is almost entirely made-for-google' ranking algorithims. The situation is worse than it is on closed social media, including Google's YouTube. Professional YouTubers are also making content for rankings above all, but the fact that it's their own face/voice keep…

I dreamed of building a website like the type I grew up on in the late 90s and early 2000s. The gamefaqs, mrfixitonlines and casterrealms-type websites for me were at the forefront of making this internet medium to be better than books, voice or anything else for that matter for the transmission of information. Fast forward 20 years later. I think I've spent close to 300k on the website and team to help with it. I do…

I don't get it. kprofiles sounds like it provides a service. It might not be a great one or one I'm interested in, but collating all that information about K-Pop bands and publishing one or two articles a day is non-trivial.

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post #139

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I probably wasn't clear. I truly meant "impossible to game". If I crawl your site today, encounter article A, and crawl it again in a year and again encounter article A, I am sure that article A is a year old (Well, techcnically, what I am certain of, is that I encountered the exact same article two times a year apart). You cannot game that. Now if another year later I encounter article A' where some content on the p…

> If I crawl your site today, encounter article A, and crawl it again in a year and again encounter article A, I am sure that article A is a year old (Well, techcnically, what I am certain of, is that I encountered the exact same article two times a year apart). You cannot game that. And what if I change a tiny amount of the article, or post it on a second domain I own? Do you think you can match up all the near dupl…

Perhaps that's ok, because it's about persistence of information, not where it lives. I suppose you could view this as longer some information lives somewhere (doesn't matter where) the higher ranking it gets. If that information gets relocated, not a problem, it was seen somewhere else before, therefore it could be still regarded as high ranking.

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post #191

"Search results plagued with ‘clickbait’ would have been an understatement 20 years ago. The parts of the open web you access from Google/search (most of it) is almost entirely made-for-google' ranking algorithims. The situation is worse than it is on closed social media, including Google's YouTube. Professional YouTubers are also making content for rankings above all, but the fact that it's their own face/voice keep…

I dreamed of building a website like the type I grew up on in the late 90s and early 2000s. The gamefaqs, mrfixitonlines and casterrealms-type websites for me were at the forefront of making this internet medium to be better than books, voice or anything else for that matter for the transmission of information. Fast forward 20 years later. I think I've spent close to 300k on the website and team to help with it. I do…

Is there a way to read it without an ex-twitter account? I just see the first tweet

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post #204
post #191

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I dreamed of building a website like the type I grew up on in the late 90s and early 2000s. The gamefaqs, mrfixitonlines and casterrealms-type websites for me were at the forefront of making this internet medium to be better than books, voice or anything else for that matter for the transmission of information. Fast forward 20 years later. I think I've spent close to 300k on the website and team to help with it. I do…

I don't get it. kprofiles sounds like it provides a service. It might not be a great one or one I'm interested in, but collating all that information about K-Pop bands and publishing one or two articles a day is non-trivial.

I would argue that the word trivial is exactly what would describe their entire operation.

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post #31

Recipe blogs are the most horrible example. The amount of BS you have to scroll through to get to the actual recipe.

Going back to the 1950s, there were futuristic concepts renderings of "the kitchen of the future" in which wifey could use her computer terminal to easily call up recipes. My trigger point arrived about 3 years ago when I couldn't find a basic brownie recipe using Google. Just page after page of SEO shit. Google failed at the future. Although, to be fair, I'm so accustomed to being able to effortlessly access some ki…

There was even a kitchen computer (in 1960s though): https://www.wired.com/2012/11/kitchen-computer/

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post #31

Recipe blogs are the most horrible example. The amount of BS you have to scroll through to get to the actual recipe.

Still not sure whether this is for SEO reasons (needs more unique content to rank) or legal ones (recipes alone are not copyrightable), but it's definitely led to a perfect storm of bad content and filler bullshit.

Also remember hearing that recipe bloggers absolutely freak out over sites that give you just the recipe and cut said fluff.

Re: Google has sent internet into 'spiral of decline', claims DeepMind co-founder

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post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dreamed of building a website like the type I grew up on in the late 90s and early 2000s. The gamefaqs, mrfixitonlines and casterrealms-type websites for me were at the forefront of making this internet medium to be better than books, voice or anything else for that matter for the transmission of information. Fast forward 20 years later. I think I've spent close to 300k on the website and team to help with it. I do…

Is there a way to read it without an ex-twitter account? I just see the first tweet

Here you go https://nitter.net/paulk139/status/1550532282288508929
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