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Re: Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted

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Post by pauldenton »

dragonwriter wrote: post #45
beernet wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Isreali defence minister is literally using a language that was used during previous genocidal events. He literally said thet they are in a fight with "human animals" [4] Any idea why he would say that?

Because that kind of language is a distraction from the way that actively supporting Hamas to keep Palestinians divided even despite their terrorism and increasing capacity has long been the Netanyahu (and for even longer, Israeli) policy. Heck, Hamas largely exists because Israel funded the Islamist network that grew into it to weaken the PLO's support among Palestinians decades ago, and supporting Hamas as a counte…

Hamas largely exists because Palestinians give them political power. Same way Putin's party exists because the people of Russia give him political power

Re: Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted

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Post by pauldenton »

orwin wrote: post #40
tguvot wrote: post #25

Playboy fired pornstar Mia Kalifa for supporting hamas actions. Could you please help me understand, if this is cancel culture or moral backbone of USA ?

'cancel culture' either doesn't exist, or is a new means of explaining an old phenomenon, depending on what you mean. I honestly immediately loose respect for anyone using it non-ironically, because it's just an obvious ploy to manipulate public opinion.

https://www.axios.com/2021/01/09/platforms-social-media-ban-... I'm not sure what old phenomenon this is replicating

Re: Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted

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Post by truthProtector »

tguvot wrote: post #46
beernet wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Isreali defence minister is literally using a language that was used during previous genocidal events. He literally said thet they are in a fight with "human animals" [4] Any idea why he would say that?

he was referring to hamas. not to population of gaza in general. people in israel are somewhat emotional those days. biggest jewish civilian life loss since wwII in one day. if you extrapolate it to us population, it's if 37000 civilians are murdered in 1 day in brutal way. pretty much everbody in israel either lost somebody or knows somebody who did.

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Re: Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted

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Post by Prickle »

skissane wrote: post #80
Prickle wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of revisionist history here is a bit absurd. Let us make it clear. Israel outright denied multiple partition maps. Israel had the advantage of being on the side designing the UN maps too. It is incredibly well known that most of the maps proposed by Israel included Jerusalem as exclusively Israeli territory. They also allocated more land to Israel than the Arabs, despite having less than half the populatio…

> Digging wells is illegal, all Gaza water is owned by Israel That's not true. There are over 10,000 wells in Gaza. Hamas controls who is allowed to dig wells in Gaza [0] – Israel lacks effective control over the territory of Gaza so has no ability to stop anyone from digging a well there. The problem Gaza has, is a lot of the water from the wells is undrinkable, in part due to intrusion of seawater into the aquifer.…

> That's not true. There are over 10,000 wells in Gaza. Hamas controls who is allowed to dig wells in Gaza [0] – Israel lacks effective control over the territory of Gaza so has no ability to stop anyone from digging a well there.

False. All water in the Gaza strip, is explicitly controlled by the Israeli state. Specifically, this stems from the fact that the construction of wells requires a permit from Israel. More specifically, anything constructed without a specific, israeli approved permit, is demolished. This applies to both the WestBank and Gaza. [0][1] [0]https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-demolishes-...

[1]https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/...

> true that Israel has a negative impact on Gaza's fishing industry – through limiting how far out to sea Gazans are permitted to fish,

Apparently I mistook the no-fishing zone along the coast as a complete ban. That is definitely my mistake.

Re: Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted

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Post by skissane »

Prickle wrote: post #85
skissane wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Digging wells is illegal, all Gaza water is owned by Israel That's not true. There are over 10,000 wells in Gaza. Hamas controls who is allowed to dig wells in Gaza [0] – Israel lacks effective control over the territory of Gaza so has no ability to stop anyone from digging a well there. The problem Gaza has, is a lot of the water from the wells is undrinkable, in part due to intrusion of seawater into the aquifer.…

> That's not true. There are over 10,000 wells in Gaza. Hamas controls who is allowed to dig wells in Gaza [0] – Israel lacks effective control over the territory of Gaza so has no ability to stop anyone from digging a well there. False. All water in the Gaza strip, is explicitly controlled by the Israeli state. Specifically, this stems from the fact that the construction of wells requires a permit from Israel. More…

> False. All water in the Gaza strip, is explicitly controlled by the Israeli state. Specifically, this stems from the fact that the construction of wells requires a permit from Israel.

In practice, no Israeli permits are needed to construct a well in Gaza. Nobody asks Israel for one and Israel doesn’t give anyone one.

Hamas says you need a permit from them to build a well in the Gaza Strip. Since they exercise de facto on-the-ground military control over the populated territory of Gaza, they are much better placed to enforce their laws on the topic than Israel is.

> More specifically, anything constructed without a specific, israeli approved permit, is demolished. This applies to both the WestBank and Gaza.

De facto, it doesn’t apply in Gaza. People dig wells in Gaza all the time and build things all the time. Nobody ever asks Israel for a permit. They may be forced however to get a permit from the Hamas-controlled Gaza government. If you don’t get the permit from Hamas, armed Hamas men may come knocking on your door. Whereas, Israeli troops were never going to invade Gaza over a mere well.

As evidence it applies in Gaza, you are citing an Israeli air strike on Gaza’s water supply infrastructure. I’ve never heard Israel attempt to justify such attacks as enforcing its laws on wells. Rather, it seems clear the attack was justified as a reprisal for a Hamas attack on Israel. Whatever the rights or wrongs of that reprisal, it has nothing to do with water policy in Gaza during those periods when the Gaza Strip and Israel have been (relatively speaking) at peace.

Re: Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted

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Post by Prickle »

tguvot wrote: post #79
Prickle wrote: post #78

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> gaza was both occupied by egypt and fenced off by egypt, unlike joran that annexed west bank. israel brought to gaza electricity, phones, sewage systems. built hospitals and schools. "global trends" do not make things happen. people make things happen Yea no. That is actually just not relevant. Once again, this is a global trend! Massive infrastructure projects, massive new investments in the economy. Post war econ…

on west bank 98% of job is done by PA. not by IDF. Its very rare occasion for Idf to get involved. West bank and gaza in general are very different places with "different" population. I did hear in past sentiments from palestinians on west bank that gazans are uneducated animals. This can partly be attributed to what I wrote before: Jordan annexed west bank and kinda tried "uplift" population while Egypt let gaza rot…

> on west bank 98% of job is done by PA. not by IDF. Its very rare occasion for Idf to get involved.

That doesn't really change what I said? Israel and the Palestinian Authority both fight Hamas. But the state of Gaza is acting as a counter. It is slowly tipping the scales towards Hamas in the West Bank. Israel and PA cooperate when it comes to dealing with Hamas in the West Bank.

> when israel pulled out there was expression "gaza can become either singapore or mogadishu

This might just be the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard. Singapore is what it is due to it's geographical location and having a benevolent dictator. It is under all circumstances, impossible for gaza to become a singapore of the middle east.

That position is taken by the Suez Canal, which we all know is controlled by Egypt.

Re: Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted

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Post by Prickle »

skissane wrote: post #86
Prickle wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's not true. There are over 10,000 wells in Gaza. Hamas controls who is allowed to dig wells in Gaza [0] – Israel lacks effective control over the territory of Gaza so has no ability to stop anyone from digging a well there. False. All water in the Gaza strip, is explicitly controlled by the Israeli state. Specifically, this stems from the fact that the construction of wells requires a permit from Israel. More…

> False. All water in the Gaza strip, is explicitly controlled by the Israeli state. Specifically, this stems from the fact that the construction of wells requires a permit from Israel. In practice, no Israeli permits are needed to construct a well in Gaza. Nobody asks Israel for one and Israel doesn’t give anyone one. Hamas says you need a permit from them to build a well in the Gaza Strip. Since they exercise de fa…

> As evidence it applies in Gaza, you are citing an Israeli air strike on Gaza’s water supply infrastructure. I’ve never heard Israel attempt to justify such attacks as enforcing its laws on wells. Rather, it seems clear the attack was justified as a reprisal for a Hamas attack on Israel. Whatever the rights or wrongs of that reprisal, it has nothing to do with water policy in Gaza during those periods when the Gaza Strip and Israel have been (relatively speaking) at peace.

This doesn't change the simple fact that Israel sites the lack of a building permit as an excuse to destroy anything built in Gaza. (Or the WestBank)

There are far more instances of this, including some where they just pour concrete into the wells. Unfortunately, English speaking outlets don't really report on these incidents. So the only english "sources" that can be found are heavily slanted Muslim propaganda articles.

The other sources are actually reports from the Knesset, which I also can't read without a translator. (Which is why I didn't link either) Specifically, the source I am referencing here are IWA (Israel Water Authority) reports on illegal water well drilling. They release a report every year. They tend to get referenced by NGOs in articles relating to Gaza or the West Bank.

In my opinion, what matters here is enforcement. Israel does enforce their rights on water sources. Even water sources inside of Gaza/WestBank. The lack of targeted strikes in Gaza doesn't mean they don't claim control over all water sources in the territories. (IE: China and the South China Sea debacle)

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