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Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by AlexCoventry »

vel0city wrote: post #80
nemo44x wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that’s the whole problem really. It’s not arbitrary land they’re fighting over. It’s that land and it can be no other land. I don’t know how it resolves in any way we find tasteful by modern standards.

Yeah right? Like you could gift either side the equivalent or even double acerage of California or some other prime real estate in the Mediterranean or anywhere else on the planet and it wouldn't make a difference, God wills each side to have that land, each one has ancestors who laid claim to those specific hills for hundreds of years.

The original Zionists were more pragmatic than that. Herzl was considering Uganda at one point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Scheme#%22A_very_land_f...

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by 2rsf »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #121
vel0city wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah right? Like you could gift either side the equivalent or even double acerage of California or some other prime real estate in the Mediterranean or anywhere else on the planet and it wouldn't make a difference, God wills each side to have that land, each one has ancestors who laid claim to those specific hills for hundreds of years.

The original Zionists were more pragmatic than that. Herzl was considering Uganda at one point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Scheme#%22A_very_land_f...

According to a podcast I recently listened to this is not entirely accurate. Herzl did consider Uganda, but not too seriously and it is assumed that he used it to raise support for the idea of a national jewish home and not to actually go there.

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by _gabe_ »

DSingularity wrote: post #65
junofan wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, a thousand terrorists coordinating land, sea, and air (paraglider and drone) over WhatsApp with videographers posting professionally editing footage to Telegram in real-time is actually pretty interesting.

Funny we call them terrorists while hundreds of millions view them as freedom fighters trying to liberate their lands. I wonder if the East and the West are destined to just always collide. The staunch support by the western governments for their permanent-colony experiment in Palestine (ie Israel) is what leads to millions of Middle Easterners continually hating western governments.

Yes, because why wouldn’t you call the people killing innocent 20 year olds at a fucking rave freedom fighters? Or going in families homes and killing parents in front of their children? Or raping and murdering innocent women? Or kidnapping and mutilating women and children?

Idgaf what nationality people are. When they commit acts like these, they are _not_ fighting for freedom, and they are _not_ worthy of any kind of respect. If it’s Americans, Russians, Chinese, Germans, or Palestinians committing these atrocities, it is disgusting, and they are _terrorists_, and I really hope that there is swift and harsh retaliation against these horrible human rights violators.

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by koheripbal »

botanical wrote: post #108
oa335 wrote: post #73

Says Netanyahu: To the citizens of Gaza, I say. You must leave now. We will target each and every corner of the strip.” Edited to remove false quote

And go where? Apartheid Israel has them interned with nowhere to go.

Gaza borders Egypt and the Mediterranean.

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by botanical »

koheripbal wrote: post #125
botanical wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And go where? Apartheid Israel has them interned with nowhere to go.

Gaza borders Egypt and the Mediterranean.

They are blockaded from the sea by Apartheid Israel:

https://www.ochaopt.org/sites/default/files/styles/inline100...

Egypt is allied with the US who give them billions to keep it locked.

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by DSingularity »

_gabe_ wrote: post #124
DSingularity wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny we call them terrorists while hundreds of millions view them as freedom fighters trying to liberate their lands. I wonder if the East and the West are destined to just always collide. The staunch support by the western governments for their permanent-colony experiment in Palestine (ie Israel) is what leads to millions of Middle Easterners continually hating western governments.

Yes, because why wouldn’t you call the people killing innocent 20 year olds at a fucking rave freedom fighters? Or going in families homes and killing parents in front of their children? Or raping and murdering innocent women? Or kidnapping and mutilating women and children? Idgaf what nationality people are. When they commit acts like these, they are _not_ fighting for freedom, and they are _not_ worthy of any kind…

Gabe, with all respect go read history. If you don’t want to read there are literally video interviews with old Israelis [1] who admit to being part of the death squads which went around killing Palestinian villagers and raping their women. This is what makes easterners describe what the Palestinians are doing as resistance for liberation.

I know Israelis want everyone to just move on from how bloody of a process it was to displace nearly one million indigenous Palestinians prior to announcing the foundation of their state. Unfortunately/fortunately — depending on your politics — we are (1) in modern times so most people don’t take kindly to European settler-colonial efforts and (2) the discomfort of Israelis with their history won’t erase the bloody genesis…

- 1: https://youtu.be/MQ1TAOibLss

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by truthProtector »

That is simply not true. The organizations blame Israel for existing at the expense of the previous local population. A population, with a layered identity, existing since ancient Phillistine. Talk to chatgpt for an unbiased view of history. Many Palestinians are descendants of real Israelites who never left the region. The organizations blame Israel for terrorism and anti-Muslim rhetoric. They blame Israel for the truth that is internationally recognized, that Israel is an apartheid state - and therefore a criminal state. The world is calling that out. Of course Zionist terrorists can’t stand free speech after getting called out, just like they’ve done with every Israeli whistleblower of their own.

No one wants to work for supporters of a criminal apartheid state. Good for those students to be outraged!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/progressive-jewish-grou...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ending-israeli-aparthei...

Re: Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

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Post by user1271772 »

edanm wrote: post #109
eurleif wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We will turn Gaza into a deserted island. Looks like this may be a fake quote. Al Jazeera[0] is the only source I can find. Meanwhile, Politico[1] and other sources have a markedly different quote: "All the places where Hamas hides, operates from — we will turn them into cities of ruins." [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/7/world-is-watching-f... [1] https://www.politico.eu/article/israels-netanyahu-vows-mi…

This is kind of interesting. Netanyahu used an expression that I wasn't sure about, עיי חורבות, which actually sounds a lot like "Destroyed islands". I looked it up and apparently it just means "ruins", but I wonder if the first translation just misheard/misunderstood what he said.

The phrase "eeyay horavot" can mean "destroyed islands" or "destroyed villages", but you have typed עיי חורבות which means "destroyed villages", not איי חורבות which means "destroyed islands".

Basically if you're listening to the audio, you could interpret it either way, and the difference would only arise when you try to write it down or read it, because the "eeyay" for "island" and the other "eeyay" are homophones.

Since "eeyay horavot" is a standard compound-word that is transliterated in the Bible using עיי instead of איי the speaker likely meant "destroyed villages" instead of "destroyed islands".

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