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Underwater Chain Saws

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Re: Underwater Chain Saws

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Around $4100! https://www.amronintl.com/stanley-cs113no-hydraulic-underwat... Amazing how capable tools can be, in industries that simply cannot get their work done without them and are willing to pay a healthy amount. Sometimes I wonder how good our dev tooling would be if we were willing to pay thousands a year, as opposed to the time-wasting bug-fest that is Xcode. Not singling out Apple, I’m sure all are comparab…

> Sometimes I wonder how good our dev tooling would be if we were willing to pay thousands a year, as opposed to the time-wasting bug-fest that is Xcode.

Jetbrains used to make an IDE for Objective C and Swift, but they sunset it last year due to weak sales. They still make fantastic tools for other programming languages though.

Re: Underwater Chain Saws

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Around $4100! https://www.amronintl.com/stanley-cs113no-hydraulic-underwat... Amazing how capable tools can be, in industries that simply cannot get their work done without them and are willing to pay a healthy amount. Sometimes I wonder how good our dev tooling would be if we were willing to pay thousands a year, as opposed to the time-wasting bug-fest that is Xcode. Not singling out Apple, I’m sure all are comparab…

I can imagine why these things are expensive, as someone who occasionally cleans the local Olympic pool using an underwater vacuum cleaner (just a side gig to get free diving time). Salty or chlorinated water (and public pools usually use heavily chlorinated water) will dissolve almost anything over time - I've seen chlorinated water eat through plastic or neoprene in 2-3 years of use. Account to that mentioned vacuum cleaner is used practically every day, through the whole year, now you have to imagine that these things must be designed for heavy-duty things.

$4100 is peanuts compared to how expensive are (professional) underwater jobs.

Re: Underwater Chain Saws

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Around $4100! https://www.amronintl.com/stanley-cs113no-hydraulic-underwat... Amazing how capable tools can be, in industries that simply cannot get their work done without them and are willing to pay a healthy amount. Sometimes I wonder how good our dev tooling would be if we were willing to pay thousands a year, as opposed to the time-wasting bug-fest that is Xcode. Not singling out Apple, I’m sure all are comparab…

Please also consider how much less inclusive and accessible computing would be if access to development tooling was placed behind such exorbitantly priced paywalls... The things we have at the moment aren't perfect, but I feel like the fact that the barrier of entry to programming is so low is an overwhelming positive that I couldn't see any level of bells and whistles justifying taking it away.

You're assuming it would have to be either/or, but it doesn't.

Re: Underwater Chain Saws

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> I noticed it was hydraulic powered but didn't suspect it was for use under water I suspect a gasoline-powered chainsaw wouldn't work underwater... which made me wonder if maybe that does exist because you could feed it O2 from a supply tank just like the fuel, maybe even from the diver's own air tank? Now I want to know how bouyant battery-packs are and if an impractically-heavy battery-powered chainsaw work well u…

I wonder if you’d get issues running an ICE under water if you went very deep, due to pressure changes on the exhaust system. Assuming you could seal up the system well enough to work at depth, and provide O2 as you mentioned. Even the pressure going into the combustion chamber could be a complicated thing, right? Say you’re at 20 feet, that’s a fair amount of pressure. But what if you’re at 80 feet? Would it still b…

If you can push the fuel and air in at ambient pressure, it shouldn't matter much right? Because the 'neutral' point of the cilinder pressure would be just as high as the pressure of the exhaust.

You'd probably lose some efficiency because the difference between peak pressure and neutral pressure in thr cylinder feels like it would be smaller. Perhaps not, because you could fit much more fuel and air in the cylinder for a bigger bang?

Re: Underwater Chain Saws

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Around $4100! https://www.amronintl.com/stanley-cs113no-hydraulic-underwat... Amazing how capable tools can be, in industries that simply cannot get their work done without them and are willing to pay a healthy amount. Sometimes I wonder how good our dev tooling would be if we were willing to pay thousands a year, as opposed to the time-wasting bug-fest that is Xcode. Not singling out Apple, I’m sure all are comparab…

> Sometimes I wonder how good our dev tooling would be if we were willing to pay thousands a year, as opposed to the time-wasting bug-fest that is Xcode.

Look no further than embedded development. Everything costs a fortune, but makes Xcode look polished and a pleasure to use. And I really hate Xcode.

Re: Underwater Chain Saws

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Around $4100! https://www.amronintl.com/stanley-cs113no-hydraulic-underwat... Amazing how capable tools can be, in industries that simply cannot get their work done without them and are willing to pay a healthy amount. Sometimes I wonder how good our dev tooling would be if we were willing to pay thousands a year, as opposed to the time-wasting bug-fest that is Xcode. Not singling out Apple, I’m sure all are comparab…

I worked at the company which used a proprietary compiler, IDE including debugger.. It was few thousands $ I believe. plus about the same amount for their proprietary JTAG adapter. Worst software I ever used. Crashy, slow, critical features missing (example: debugger can show thread list... but not the stacks of other threads). So no, I would not expect expensive commercial software to be better. It might generate 2%…

Leonard's Law: Software will be as bad as it's users can tolerate, and no worse. VHDL compilers are catastrophically bad, because electrical engineers have to tolerate them and make tape-out. FADECs don't normally crash airplanes because pilots don't like when that happens.

Re: Underwater Chain Saws

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This is the most strained connection employed to engage in Apple-bashing that I've seen in quite some time. I feel like we need an Apple-themed Godwin's Law - namely that no HN thread is complete without someone somehow managing to bring up Apple and how evil and undervalued they are. The irony is that high-end Macs have been widely laughed at by people who don't have a use for them...while various creative and scien…

I've been here 13 years and am not aware of this pattern. Also, gently, note: > Not singling out Apple, I’m sure all are comparably bad, it’s just what I happen to use :) The Xcode thing is often an in-joke with iOS developers.

> I've been here 13 years and am not aware of this pattern.

I’ve been here 11 years and see this all the time.

This, however, is not an instance of it.

Re: Underwater Chain Saws

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I've been here 13 years and am not aware of this pattern. Also, gently, note: > Not singling out Apple, I’m sure all are comparably bad, it’s just what I happen to use :) The Xcode thing is often an in-joke with iOS developers.

Yeah, feels like in a different era this criticism would've been levied against Microsoft/MSDN.

Allow me to wake you up: Apple is a marketing company that doesn’t develop anything, rather just buying IP. Their products are buggy and awful. Including and especially iphones and ios. Everything else is marketing.
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