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What Happens When Tony Hsieh Dies with $1B, with No Estate Planning

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Re: What Happens When Tony Hsieh Dies with $1B, with No Estate Planning

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“Moreover, incapacity is a near certainty for all people: there will be a period however brief, in which a person can no longer manage their own affairs, requiring help.”

I’d never thought of it this way, but it’s a thought provoking reality.

Re: What Happens When Tony Hsieh Dies with $1B, with No Estate Planning

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post #11

> Instead of subjecting his gross estate to the federal estate tax, Hsieh could have set up a trust in which he has no control over, transfer his assets into it, then have a trustee continue to carry out his goals The real outrage is that this is legal.

the estate tax? “why aren't we getting scammed equally” is a pitiful argument

Re: What Happens When Tony Hsieh Dies with $1B, with No Estate Planning

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Tony was wealthy but had substantial mental health challenges. It is not entirely unexpected his estate would be in limbo or exposed to suboptimal tax treatment due to no estate planning. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25235490 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25326510 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25305202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35682523

You would think with that amount of money you could get help.

Instead, he was taken advantage of by his hangers-on/ballwashers that were only after his money.

Re: What Happens When Tony Hsieh Dies with $1B, with No Estate Planning

#15

> He gave people money to quit at the end of employee orientation if they didn’t believe they would be a bad fit It's sad that I wasn't 100% immediately sure this was a typo, but I'm pretty sure it is.

It's fleshed out more in the link:

    In 2009, Hsieh sold Zappos to Amazon for $1.2 billion. Amazon inherited Hsieh's policy but put its own spin on it — the company offered full-time Amazon fulfillment center workers up to $5,000 to leave, per CNBC.

    The policy, dubbed Pay to Quit, is designed to weed out the employees who decide they aren't happy at the company, subsequently improving workforce morale and productivity and ensuring that those who are employed are committed to their work.

Re: What Happens When Tony Hsieh Dies with $1B, with No Estate Planning

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tony was wealthy but had substantial mental health challenges. It is not entirely unexpected his estate would be in limbo or exposed to suboptimal tax treatment due to no estate planning. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25235490 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25326510 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25305202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35682523

You would think with that amount of money you could get help. Instead, he was taken advantage of by his hangers-on/ballwashers that were only after his money.

Wealth and ability to seek help are mutually exclusive. For sure, you have access. But you have to want it, even if some are desperate to help you and others are desperate to extract from you while you remain in poor health. Maybe someone could’ve advocated for a conservatorship, but we’ll never know why someone didn’t.

(have had friends and loved ones addicted to alcohol, cocaine, heroin, etc)

Re: What Happens When Tony Hsieh Dies with $1B, with No Estate Planning

#17

> $391,232,000 goes to the IRS. Insane! On the one hand this mistake is a rare case of the rich paying a lot of tax. But very odd not to have tried to avoid this by (whatever rich people do)

What's insane is that one person can personally own billions of times more of the resources than other people do.

In a better world, people would just laugh at anyone who tried to claim this (or, better yet, try to help them with their mental/social problem).

Re: What Happens When Tony Hsieh Dies with $1B, with No Estate Planning

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post #11

> Instead of subjecting his gross estate to the federal estate tax, Hsieh could have set up a trust in which he has no control over, transfer his assets into it, then have a trustee continue to carry out his goals The real outrage is that this is legal.

the estate tax? “why aren't we getting scammed equally” is a pitiful argument

From society comes one's wealth, and back into society it shall go.

Re: What Happens When Tony Hsieh Dies with $1B, with No Estate Planning

#19
Estate tax only kicks in > $12M. But probate kicks in if your assets are > $170k! I don't support extensive tax trickery to get out of estate tax (unless you count giving it all to charity as tax hacking, which I definitely don't), but I have been converted to advise everyone with heirs and meaningful assets to set up a trust and work with an estate lawyer to make sure they can bypass probate when needed. Otherwise funds can be tied up for a lengthy period of time (and incur a lot of lawyer fees) even in simple cases.
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