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Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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That title bar thing, good god damn. I have to concentrate my vision on the title bar to place my fucking cursor between non-outlined active sections just to grab that motherfucker and shove it over. It is entirely a user experience regression. There's no benefit gained, whatsoever, from moving content to the title bar. Easily moving a window by dragging the title bar was something that "just worked" for at least two…
> There's no benefit gained, whatsoever, from moving content to the title bar The one benefit I can see is to gain some extra vertical space on the skinny 16:9 screens, especially now that the task bar in windows 11 got thicker and can no longer be moved to a side. They, of course, still haven't gotten around to fixing the auto-hide behavior, so that's still not an option. The rare times I have to use windows, I use…
Usually the smallest "skinny" 16:9 screens you see nowadays on desktops are 24".
Windows was perfectly usable on 15" 4:3 screens. The first iMacs were 15" 4:3.
So that as such probably wasn't the issue.
http://www.displaywars.com/24-inch-16x9-vs-15-inch-4x3
What might be an issue though is the use of laptops.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#613Earlier quoted context omitted.
That title bar thing, good god damn. I have to concentrate my vision on the title bar to place my fucking cursor between non-outlined active sections just to grab that motherfucker and shove it over. It is entirely a user experience regression. There's no benefit gained, whatsoever, from moving content to the title bar. Easily moving a window by dragging the title bar was something that "just worked" for at least two…
> There's no benefit gained, whatsoever, from moving content to the title bar. There is: more space for content, e.g. websites while not removing directly accessible functionaly
If the content would make better use of screen estate, that probably would not be necessary.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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I often wish we had more analog control in the digital world. I wish there were turn knobs instead up/down buttons with 10 steps (where it is easy to accidentally leave a menu... When trying to get back to where you were, you are suddenly adjusting something else entirely). Manual control with digital devices has become too digital and too cumbersome. It used to be easy to adjust contrast and brightness on a display,…
Most plugins used in music software do take that approach. Where the plugin interfaces are modelled to look 'like hardware' in most cases, with nobs, sliders, all the things you'd expect on a hardware compressor / synth etc. I like it.
Knobs on a mouse UI suck
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#615Bad scrollbars (and other UI elements) are all symptoms of the origin of the web as a document/form platform and subsequent attempts to use it for interactive apps. This has has popularized some really useful paradigms in applications (back buttons, breadcrumbs), but the lack of capable standardized controls has been painful. I'm hopeful we'll eventually claw our way out of these dark ages, but there's a lot of maturing that needs to happen in web UI designers for that to happen. It's not a lack of skill on their part, but rather a lack of taste. They simply don't know how responsive and useful an interface could be because they've grown up on shitty interfaces.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#616Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most plugins used in music software do take that approach. Where the plugin interfaces are modelled to look 'like hardware' in most cases, with nobs, sliders, all the things you'd expect on a hardware compressor / synth etc. I like it.
Knobs on a mouse UI suck
Not this in this use case, in fact quite the opposite.
generally most want to have a knob they can adjust and not worry about the underlying value. It's in line with the philosophy of tweaking settings and not using your eyes to judge if its in the right position.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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Windows 3.1 for me
Especially with the Dashboard shell [1]. Was very convenient: compact, always at your fingertips, with extended virtual desktop, fully configurable and stable: you lay out things some way, they stay this way. It is interesting that modern UIs keep removing agency from the user. There is very little space in the system that feels mine because I am the sole owner of it. On Windows 3.1 I managed everything in the progra…
> Now the Start menu is completely taken over.
Which brings this conversation full circle.
The Windows 10 Start Menu scrollbar is unclickably skinny.
It is supposed to expand when you stop your workflow to undertake the Hover-Your-Pointer-Tip-Over-The-Miniscule-Scrollbar Ordeal. If you win, the scrollbar will typically expand to something less difficult. But expansion doesn't happen so reliably that it has your full trust.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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I find it ironic that in order for your comment to be accessible the reader must lookup “a11y” to find that it means “accessibility”.
I would hope (read: pray) that on HN a11y isn't jargon. On a thread about scrollbars (i.e., UI and UX) a11y should be as accessible as saying UI or UX.
It's absolutely obscure jargon. One should never use "a11y", just say "accessibility".
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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> Scroll wheels and gestures are paging mechanisms, a scrollbar does that as well but it’s also a “take me to the middle of the document” control. IME, only on Linux am I able to click on an arbitrary location beneath or atop the scrollbar and be taken there immediately. On Windows, it seems that clicking below the scrollbar is equivalent to scrolling down once. If you want to go all the way to the bottom of the docu…
>On Windows, it seems that clicking below the scrollbar is equivalent to scrolling down once. If you want to go all the way to the bottom of the document or webpage, you have to drag the scrollbar all the way down manually. I actually find it kind of annoying. Have you tried changing the behavior in Settings?
I didn't realize this was a configurable option in Settings. Thanks for letting me know.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#620I think too many people with OCD are getting into tech, I’d have nothing against them if they realised they have an issue and would not destroy everything around them, like remove bad looking but essential for usability elements or having to align vertically everything making it a challenge to understand what line is what, that said, I curse you guys, unless you get help or get out of usability/ coding
that isn't OCD
It's probably more ADHD if anything. Doing something for doing's sake.
A person with actual OCD could probably make a good UX designer.