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Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by kuchenbecker »

fritzo wrote: post #221
Waterluvian wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not exactly wrong from a business standpoint. The math just comes out that a business does better when they do all the things they can’t do if they want an accessible website. Dark patterns, especially, are very anti-accessibility. It’s why we need laws to mandate accessibility.

Laws to mandate accessibility, laws to mandate provable correctness, laws to mandate fairness, and laws to break up the big, for only the big could satisfy all the other laws.

Is that a reference I'm missing?

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by neycoda »

Ah, reading the article, scrollbars are not becoming a problem, their shrinking width is or the lack of them are.

See, the difference matters, because the reason this is happening is people think scrollbars are a problem to even exist.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by Findecanor »

nine_k wrote: post #59

The author sees half the problem and offers the worse half of a solution. A scrollbar is not only a control, it's also an indicator . It shows where your viewport is relative to the bigger view, e.g. a long list. Hiding scrollbars, like some [redacted] GUIs like macOS do, is just acutely impolite, much like making buttons indistinguishable from text, or putting light grey text on a light grey background. A solution e…

Input devices for scrolling are not universally available.

Wacom/pen users don't have a scroll wheel.

Many trackballs don't have a scroll wheel. Some have a scroll ring around the ball though.

I got RSI in my scrolling finger, so I removed the scroll wheel from my mice. And there have been times that I have overstretched my mouse-arm and had to use a trackball with my other hand for a few weeks.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by kuschku »

speeder wrote: post #452
Zekio wrote: post #386

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screens output way more nits these days, I remember not being able to see a screen properly because a lamp was on due to the monitors only having 200ish nits, these days you can get +1000 nit monitors, this is especially true for HDR monitors

You just reminded me of something funky. To play PS5 I bought a monitor instead of a TV, because the place where I had to install the screen in the rented apartment is tiny, and tiny TVs are just crap with tons of input lag. So I got a gaming LG monitor. Many PS5 games, specially those with HDR support, offer help in adjusting the brightness, often in the form of showing a very dark and a very bright image side by si…

Cheap LG monitors have contrast turned up too high. Turn it down and you'll be able to have both visible at the same time.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by eadmund »

masswerk wrote: post #195
jfim wrote: post #33

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> I have come to a funny realisation recently. It's not my eyesight which is becoming worse, it's the UIs which are becoming worse. We've hit peak usability about twenty years ago, in the Windows 2000 era. The screenshot in the article is actually from about that era, it's one of the early 10.x (10.3 I believe) OS X releases.

Arguably, Snow Leopard was peak interaction design. Just for the highly functional visual grouping of elements. (MacOS has drifted off from this quite a distance, since.)

> Arguably, Snow Leopard was peak interaction design.

System 7 or 8, methinks. Clean, cool and collected.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by hju22_-3 »

pwdisswordfishc wrote: post #468
SkiFire13 wrote: post #306

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"don't theme my app" is not about users theming their apps, but instead against distros theming by default and more importantly the expectation that you could theme every app with a generic theme.

Same difference. If you don’t support theming done by distros, you don’t support theming full stop. I suspect even their attitude towards theming done by end-users is more akin to ‘well sure, if you insist, you have the full source code, I can’t stop you, but you’re on your own’ than considering it a fully supported configuration.

Hard disagree with your first paragraph. An application can have endless customization abilities, but still doesn't need to let the system choose a theme for it to support "full theming" as you put it.

There can also be legitimate reasons not to support it. On the top of my head, for example, the default theme being the most tested, etc., etc. In a perfect world, they'd all be tested and well integrated, but there's limited man power going around, and the world isn't perfect.

Though I otherwise agree.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by poszlem »

layer8 wrote: post #461
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #439

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On the contrary, some new monitors are so bright even on their lowest setting that you have to find alternative solutions.

That’s really just bad tech not fit for the purpose, though.

Oh, okay, problem solved then.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by [deleted] »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #3

Whenever I read a piece like this or another UX blog, it just becomes so obvious how little we care about a11y. “Good” (as in accessible) design is pretty boring and decluttered compared to most modern expectations of web apps. I read Adam Silver’s book on forms and came away realizing that we’re doing it entirely wrong from an a11y standpoint but that’s just not a priority.

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