Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

zach.codes

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 192 posts

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#121

Post by hyperman1 »

nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

Thanks for taking the time to appear here, give in depth answers, and still be a human face on the company.

My non-technical wife's laptop is needing replacement. I was going to buy a second hand thinkpad, but if enough stars align, a framework might be a good option.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#122

Post by nicolaslem »

bubblethink wrote: post #22
sva_ wrote: post #11

I wonder what kind of battery-life Framework users get? I've recently gotten an Elitebook 845 G10 which runs on a Ryzen 7 Pro 7840HS, and battery life was at first shit. The issue was with the BIOS being bugged and not allowing ASPM. After manually activating, I now get around 12-15 hours on a 50Wh battery, depending on use of course. Results still preliminary though, more testing needs to be done. Btw, I chose the E…

I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…

> Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken

This is so annoying, I use a Firefox extension for Youtube called "Your Codecs." that allows to block VP9 so I can keep hardware decoding on without having random GPU crashes.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#123

Post by augustl »

inertiatic wrote: post #103
augustl wrote: post #99

After switching from an 11th gen Intel Dell XPS, to a M1 Macbook, I resist returning to PC laptops (even though I prefer Windows) until someone confirms that newer Ryzen and Intel chips are comparable in terms of "perceived performance" to Apple silicon. The whole laptop simply becomes syrupy on battery. Even if I go high performance mode in Windows settings, the whole device is just so laggy compared to a Macbook. A…

I'm on a 6850U Ryzen Windows machine and it's really smooth. Previously I too was using an 11th gen XPS 13 but on Linux, where battery was approximately 2 hours long. This machine feels both smooth, cool and for my usages there's no slowdowns on battery either (usually running few browser windows, a VM that's not taxed too hard and an IDE).

Good to know! I almost wonder if my specific laptop is broken in some way. Either that, or I'm overly sensitive to these things. And the Venn diagram overlap of people who often use both macOS and Windows is probably not that large... :) I don't see many people talking about this!

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#124

Post by MrDresden »

I'm currently in the queue for one of these, and was expecting there to be some minor issues like these (fingerprint sensor, some driver/kernel related performance issues) as is often the case when running desktop Linux.

The difference between Framework and other laptop manufacturers however is that it has shown that it is actively tackling these issues, and so I'm not so worried.

Couple that with the fact that components are upgradable, I am not so worried about being let down by this machine once I get it (I won't feel locked in to a unchanging brick). It is still early days for this company and product, so my expectations about a hiccup free experience are tempered (I'm sure the first 80's Machintosh or 90's Thinkpads were less than perfect).

My one strong hope though is that this form factor will be able to get a slightly larger battery in the near future.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#125

Post by vladvasiliu »

chpatrick wrote: post #116
vladvasiliu wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> can’t hold a charge for more than a few days of standby I don't own a Framework, but also have the battery draining for no reason issue on mine. I think the cause is the new "modern standby", where the laptop doesn't actually sleep. Windows mitigates this by switching to hibernation if you leave it "asleep" for a while and unplugged.

It might be worth trying the mem_sleep_default=deep kernel parameter

Yeah, I tried this and a bunch of other things, it ignores them.

I also have its cousin, with an 11th gen i7. It actually exposes a choice in one of those parameters, between s3 and s2idle. If I switch it to s3 and attempt to make it sleep, it just hangs.

Neither has an option to control this in the BIOS, like some Lenovos do, from what I hear.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#126

Post by [deleted] »

zackify wrote: post #45
nrp wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We publish a compatibility overview and step by step guides for popular distros specifically to avoid that: https://frame.work/linux

I think what would help me a lot more, if I had to do this again, is a specific article only for the amd framework with everything you need to do after. For instance, the fingerprint sensor, it’s a red note on a step, sure, but it’s kind of hard to go through every guide and read all these “if you are on X version of the platform” Compared to knowing you are reading a guide 100% for the platform you have, less stuff…

[deleted]

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#127

Post by cassepipe »

nrp wrote: post #50
zackify wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what would help me a lot more, if I had to do this again, is a specific article only for the amd framework with everything you need to do after. For instance, the fingerprint sensor, it’s a red note on a step, sure, but it’s kind of hard to go through every guide and read all these “if you are on X version of the platform” Compared to knowing you are reading a guide 100% for the platform you have, less stuff…

Thanks for the feedback! The foam positioning issue you ran into is definitely not good, and I've flagged it to our Supplier Quality Manager.

I second this. Linux support is good but I feel forum fatigue too.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#128

Post by nicolaslem »

sva_ wrote: post #43
bubblethink wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ctrl + shift + ins doesn't work on this laptop. That's what I use to paste in the terminal. You can also do ctrl + shift + v, which I am trying to learn now. I also see a bunch of spurious corrected aer messages, for which I've had to add a noaer kernel boot arg. On ASPM, maybe PCIe ASPM doesn't work ? Not sure. Here's dmesg. [ 0.362132] ACPI FADT declares the system doesn't support PCIe ASPM, so disable it [ 0.46845…

That's exactly what mine showed when ASPM wasn't enabled. Before that I got at most about 9 hours doing nothing, after enabling it I got about 14 hours even doing light webbrowsing and such. I made a Reddit post about it today, enabling it under Linux manually. Many people have been complaining about low battery life on the Elitebook 845 G10, and most people suspected missing ASPM support to be the culprit. The nice…

Thank you very much for that, my G9 hovers around 5 W idle which is not great. I will try these tweaks.

Note that there is a GUI app called "Power Statistics" that shows the evolution of power consumption on battery quite well. It still uses data reported by the battery which is not super accurate but works well enough when looking at say an hour of data points.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#129

Post by lost_tourist »

gigatexal wrote: post #88

I couldn’t finish the blog post. It came off as too much of a rant and a bit whiney. Linux != macOS or Windows. Gestures, and all this fancy stuff about fingerprint readers etc do not apply. I guess I’m lucky my thinkpad’s fingerprint reader works. Anyway I’m looking forward to evaluating this laptop vs a similar AMD thinkpad as I’m in the market. I run i3 and will move to sway when I fully transition things to Wayla…

He had a lot of issues besides just the mouse. I think the article was fine, and probably will other people planning on getting the same laptop. There is no way that framework didn't encounter these same problems in their own install. Seems like they could have an Appendix site available for some of the fixes if they couldn't get them due to trying to get the laptop out to customers as soon as possible.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#130

Post by fsflover »

kvark wrote: post #8

I’m looking forward to solutions with Linux that are vertically integrated. I know System76 is moving in this direction, but Apple will remain the king in this area in the near future. Without vertical integration it’s a mess, no party wants to control the end to end experience and take responsibility.

Purism is another company that ships GNU/Linux laptops with their own OS.
Post reply on HN