Preach! I complained about this a while back, noting that even when we had a 512x342 screen on the original Mac, there were chunky usable scrollbars... but now with 4k screens, we can't spare the pixels! http://jfloren.net/b/2022/7/15/0
Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Relatedly, "i18n" is hard for non-native speakers to understand too, how ironically apt.
It's hard for native speakers too. Numerical contractions aren't part of normal English (i.e they don't seem to exist outside of IT).
Numerical ones don’t seem to exist outside of IT, but other fields do the same strategy of abbreviating common long words by keeping only a letter or two. The non-numerical way is to just replace the rest with an “x” like “txn” for “transaction” in finance or “pax” for “passengers” in transportation or “sx” for “symptoms” in medicine.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn’t a heavy drop shadow solve the window border problem? Although these days those seem to be fading or disappearing as well.
I'm sure it's negligible these days, but there's also the concern of an increased graphics load since you'll have to do an extra pass for the transparency. But I don't want to dive too far into the mindset of "everything must be optimized to the max".
My 0.3GHz iMac in 1996 could draw and resize window drop shadows at 60fps while simultaneously encoding an MP3 without a hitch. It’s seriously inexpensive computationally.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#184It's not just scrollbars. It's the elimination of window borders. Aside from not being able to differentiate one window from another similarly colored window in the background, it's nearly impossible to click and hold on anything along the edge to resize the window. It's the overloading of the title bar with so much shit like search boxes and extraneous buttons that a user has almost no place to grip to move the wind…
Doesn’t a heavy drop shadow solve the window border problem? Although these days those seem to be fading or disappearing as well.
Not when the windows are dark.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honest question: Can you tell me how to increase the scrollbar size of Firefox browser on a Pop!_OS operating system?
Does the suggestion in the article not work? There are few options in about:config for scrollbars so I'd look at the others too. If that doesn't work I'd bet https://old.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/ has a solution. edit: https://old.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/15kk98z/how_can... looks promising
Thank you for your reply. I tried several options and finally found a setting.
I changed the setting for widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override from 1 to 50 and it increased size.
The initial value of 1 was confusing me because I kept thinking it is Boolean 1.
Posting a solution here in case someone else finds it useful.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find it ironic that in order for your comment to be accessible the reader must lookup “a11y” to find that it means “accessibility”.
First time hearing the term a11y for me too. I hope to never come across it again.
It's interesting to me how almost nobody uses the `` (i18n, a11y, etc) convention anymore.
I guess ubiquitous autocomplete has made that convention redundant.
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I am coming to the opinion that Windows XP was the maximum usable interface, and we should have stopped there [0]. But then, I might just be old and telling the kids to get off my lawn. [0] this is definitely true for Windows. All subsequent versions of Windows have had worse UX.
I absolutely agree. For at least 10 years now, my dream has been to essentially recreate the Windows 2000/XP UX as a Linux desktop environment. That said, doing so would basically require creating everything from the ground up, because merely theming some existing toolkit and window manager to look like XP is not at all the point. And frankly, there HAVE been SOME useful UI/UX improvements in the past couple decades,…
If you haven't already, look at xfce.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn’t a heavy drop shadow solve the window border problem? Although these days those seem to be fading or disappearing as well.
I'm sure it's negligible these days, but there's also the concern of an increased graphics load since you'll have to do an extra pass for the transparency. But I don't want to dive too far into the mindset of "everything must be optimized to the max".
Ehhhh it's really not that intensive.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#189It's not just scrollbars. It's the elimination of window borders. Aside from not being able to differentiate one window from another similarly colored window in the background, it's nearly impossible to click and hold on anything along the edge to resize the window. It's the overloading of the title bar with so much shit like search boxes and extraneous buttons that a user has almost no place to grip to move the wind…
I am coming to the opinion that Windows XP was the maximum usable interface, and we should have stopped there [0]. But then, I might just be old and telling the kids to get off my lawn. [0] this is definitely true for Windows. All subsequent versions of Windows have had worse UX.
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Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's blatant how UI designers don't give a damn about the users' needs, not even in FOSSland. Especially with this new "don't theme my app" movement. It's really unfortunate. The issues with CSS stylesheets in GTK should be solved with replacing CSS with a better way to describe styles, not with just throwing it all away and not letting the user set their own themes.
Yup. GNOME/GTK is a lost cause in my eyes. Literally worse UX than Windows. The developers basically say "fuck you" if your use case does not perfectly align with their "vision".
Honestly I want the app to just set its look exactly. I really don't care if different programs look slightly different as long as its internally consistent in app.
What I hate is installing a program that was designed for a KDE distro and because you run gnome all the icons are the same color as the background and alignments on things are whack.
Package it all up in a flatpak so it looks and works exactly the same on all distros. One complete and verified experience.