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Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by noirbot »

ncallaway wrote: post #24
karlshea wrote: post #6

This all sounds exactly like what I imagined owning a Framework running Linux would be like. I’m sure y’all are having a ball editing all of your configs and doing firmware updates in Windows, but I’ll stick to my non-repairable MacBook and keep Linux on my servers.

I’ve been running linux (Fedora) on my intel Framework laptop for a little over a year. I’ve had no issues.

Yea, I've had no issues with the Linux of it really, the hardware is just... bad. It feels cheap, the battery is terrible, having it near any magnet messes up its sensors for if the lid is closed and causes random issues, and the screen is so glossy you essentially can't use it in natural lighting.

I guess I could potentially spend the cost of a third Macbook Air on replacing parts to maybe fix all of that and generate as much carbon and e-waste in the process as the sum total of the last decade of my Apple laptops, but that seems like a pyrrhic victory.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by teraflop »

> For modern apps not using Wayland…. full gesture support, fractional scaling, etc doesn’t work. After fixing firefox, I noticed Slack was incredibly fuzzy…. it doesn’t use Wayland.

Every time I read stuff like this I feel like a bit of a outlier, because in all the years I've been using Slack, I've never used it as anything other than a web application (despite occasionally being pestered to download the Electron version).

I already have a perfectly good browser, what's the point of running another one (with potential compatibility issues) just for Slack?

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by rwky »

syntaxing wrote: post #5

If you only can buy this or a M2 MBP, which one would you get?

This (or in my case the intel one) I find developing on Linux for Linux is better than developing on Mac for Linux (and yes I know you can install Linux on a Mac but the new M2 Linux stuff is all a bit too new for me)! Now if I was am iOS/Mac dev then a Mac. It's the good ol' right tool for the job.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by chx »

holografix wrote: post #15
kvark wrote: post #8

I’m looking forward to solutions with Linux that are vertically integrated. I know System76 is moving in this direction, but Apple will remain the king in this area in the near future. Without vertical integration it’s a mess, no party wants to control the end to end experience and take responsibility.

100% agree. At this price point who has the time to debug wifi?!

And yet every time I post running Linux on a modern laptop as a daily driver is not a good idea I get heavily downvoted.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by Eduard »

> The only real knock I can give framework on all of this, is having so many fixes in so many places.

This. By now, I have set up and maintained enough installations of diverse open / hobbyist products (e.g. Debian, Raspberry Pi, Home Assistant, Mixxx, Jellybean, Nextcloud... ) to come to the conclusion that an unorganized, unmaintained, laissez-fair user community democrized potpourri of "knowledge bases" quickly becomes a huge issue.

It sucks to have to hunt around a multitude of issue trackers, wikis, discussion forums, mailing list archives, Gitlab pages, web sites etc. to find solutions.

Sometimes, it is comment #297 in some paginated forum thread that helped, as previous nonworking answers in the same thread related to another software release version, using and referencing a different setup implicitly referencing comment #246 a couple of pages before.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by bubblethink »

sva_ wrote: post #27
bubblethink wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…

The insert key seems to be fn-f10 now. I have to say I don't really ever use it? What do people use it for, if I may ask? I configure everything to use vim-style editing, so maybe that's why. I can't really speak on the display stuff, but I fell like I saw something related to that in the BIOS. Haven't had issues with sleep either, but maybe because I've only been using the machine for 2 days. About the battery, I re…

ctrl + shift + ins doesn't work on this laptop. That's what I use to paste in the terminal. You can also do ctrl + shift + v, which I am trying to learn now. I also see a bunch of spurious corrected aer messages, for which I've had to add a noaer kernel boot arg. On ASPM, maybe PCIe ASPM doesn't work ? Not sure. Here's dmesg.

[ 0.362132] ACPI FADT declares the system doesn't support PCIe ASPM, so disable it

[ 0.468451] acpi PNP0A08:00: _OSC: OS supports [ExtendedConfig ASPM ClockPM Segments MSI EDR HPX-Type3]

[ 0.468617] acpi PNP0A08:00: FADT indicates ASPM is unsupported, using BIOS configuration

[ 5757.416672] pcieport 0000:00:04.1: ASPM: current common clock configuration is inconsistent, reconfiguring

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by travisby »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #18
zackify wrote: post #2

I just got this device on Monday, been waiting for over half a year for it. I love it, but also wow, so many random things I have had to do the past few days. I think this provides a good prospective compared to all the mainstream posts about it that aren't going in depth on linux and the usability on there at this current time. Overall, I love this device!

Thanks for the article, I thought it was very helpful! You mentioned it a little bit, but is the trackpad better on wayland? How does it compare to a MBP? And finally, can you dock the framework laptop to a USB-C docking station for external monitor support? I haven’t seen a lot of reviews mention this and I’m curious what that looks like today.

I have my amd framework hooked up to a Lenovo 27" monitor over USB c and that daisy chained to another of the same monitor type over display link and it works like a champ: USB, video, Ethernet, and power all through the one cable.

Though it did NOT work out of the box to a display link USB A dock. I think it needs display link kernel module and I didn't want to bother.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nrp »

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product.

We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.

AMD continues to improve things with each release, and we've sent hardware to folks at Canonical for Ubuntu and Red Hat for Fedora to help speed along the process of having the out of the box experience with popular distros be smooth.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by rch »

holografix wrote: post #15
kvark wrote: post #8

I’m looking forward to solutions with Linux that are vertically integrated. I know System76 is moving in this direction, but Apple will remain the king in this area in the near future. Without vertical integration it’s a mess, no party wants to control the end to end experience and take responsibility.

100% agree. At this price point who has the time to debug wifi?!

Wi-fi basically works across the board. System76 cares about fan curves and other mechanical/electrical details. Battery life is easy to call out, but I’d say that the work being done now is more nuanced.
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