The whole "modern" design has decided to to tell big fat Fuck You to any semblance of ergonomics and sanity. Having to scroll big empty screen to see anything even remotely useful is the apotheosis. Total disrespect of the users.
Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#142It's not just scrollbars. It's the elimination of window borders. Aside from not being able to differentiate one window from another similarly colored window in the background, it's nearly impossible to click and hold on anything along the edge to resize the window. It's the overloading of the title bar with so much shit like search boxes and extraneous buttons that a user has almost no place to grip to move the wind…
> Aside from not being able to differentiate one window from another similarly colored window in the background
I thought this was my slowly acquired technical debt: "what option have I missed? Is this like Aero and I have to turn it off?"
The "where the eff is the scrollbar thumb? ffs" situation has occurred more times then I care for.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#143It's not just scrollbars. It's the elimination of window borders. Aside from not being able to differentiate one window from another similarly colored window in the background, it's nearly impossible to click and hold on anything along the edge to resize the window. It's the overloading of the title bar with so much shit like search boxes and extraneous buttons that a user has almost no place to grip to move the wind…
> it's nearly impossible to click and hold on anything along the edge to resize the window.
This is what the resize box is/was for. (It's actually draggable edges with no "meat" to them, which introduce the conflict by overloading an element, which is also just a pixel wide.)
*) The resize box used to sit below the very bottom of the vertical scrollbar, just below the down arrow button, as a distinct and dedicated handle for resizing windows. Mind how this is in the direct vicinity of any scroll buttons which may be used to see more than what is exposed by the initial view. It's the quasi "natural" origin and anchor of any basic interactions with the viewport. (Somewhat ironically, while the resize box has mostly vanished from application UIs, it is still rendered by web browsers in certain circumstances. E.g., with textarea elements with scrollbars and resize enabled. With most UIs, there will be no related scroll buttons anymore, though.)
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#145I have come to a funny realisation recently. It's not my eyesight which is becoming worse, it's the UIs which are becoming worse. The tiny scrollbars with laughable contrast are in no way accessible to anyone. I've recently switched to using KDE with the Oxygen theme and it's a joy to use without any eye strain. These scrollbars are absolutely pathetic, with no room for customisation. (good luck theming a locked-down…
I don't use dark mode for contrast, I use because a lot of software "light mode" is just plain white. And screens been getting more and more powerful. Often using software without white mode the thing is so bright, that the walls near me get lighted up as if I was using a flashlight or something. Thus I have to make the screen less bright, but often this also make the screen colors and contrast get all screwy and I s…
...with light light blue labeled data fields against a white background. Its nothing less than sadistic. Thanks Redmond, may I have another?
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#146Literally just ran into this problem 15 mins ago.
Went to the HTTP RFC 9110 to check on the proper meaning of a HTTP response [0]. The list of sections on the right is scrollable, but there's no indication that it is, and no scroll bar unless you click on it and try to scroll it. The page as it loads on my screen looks like it stops at section 4.2.1. and there's no indication that there are more sections. Took me a few moments to work out how to get to what I needed. Which is bad design, right? If you're confusing the user to make some aesthetic "improvement" then that's bad. I don't even know that removing scroll bars is an aesthetic improvement. Why do this?
[0] https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9110.html#name-302-found
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#147You know what's an accessibility problem for a lot of people over 40? White text on a dark background. I don't think I'll ever get tired of hearing people advocate for making web pages readable for people my age. Yeah, opening up the inspector and updating the author's CSS made it readable for me, but made the shell script unreadable.
Use for browsers, you might try to play around with the "Dark Reader" addon. While normally used for setting a universal dark mode, you can also a white mode, either globally or per site.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#148It's not just scrollbars. It's the elimination of window borders. Aside from not being able to differentiate one window from another similarly colored window in the background, it's nearly impossible to click and hold on anything along the edge to resize the window. It's the overloading of the title bar with so much shit like search boxes and extraneous buttons that a user has almost no place to grip to move the wind…
Doesn’t a heavy drop shadow solve the window border problem? Although these days those seem to be fading or disappearing as well.
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#149I have come to a funny realisation recently. It's not my eyesight which is becoming worse, it's the UIs which are becoming worse. The tiny scrollbars with laughable contrast are in no way accessible to anyone. I've recently switched to using KDE with the Oxygen theme and it's a joy to use without any eye strain. These scrollbars are absolutely pathetic, with no room for customisation. (good luck theming a locked-down…
How old are you? I bet you a pound you're 40, or thereabouts. Trust me, your eyesight is becoming worse...
I am 20 years old^^
Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#150It's not just scrollbars. It's the elimination of window borders. Aside from not being able to differentiate one window from another similarly colored window in the background, it's nearly impossible to click and hold on anything along the edge to resize the window. It's the overloading of the title bar with so much shit like search boxes and extraneous buttons that a user has almost no place to grip to move the wind…
I am coming to the opinion that Windows XP was the maximum usable interface, and we should have stopped there [0]. But then, I might just be old and telling the kids to get off my lawn.
[0] this is definitely true for Windows. All subsequent versions of Windows have had worse UX.