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France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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giraffe_lady wrote: post #110
voisin wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok I understand this but why prevent clean water and food and medicine from crossing the border? Why disallow them from trade while simultaneously not letting them into Israel?

So that what? They can become a thriving, economically powerful micronation on their doorstep? With better access to the political and military connections necessary to reclaim what they will always consider their land? Why would israel want that? Why would they allow it, if they have the power to prevent it.

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Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by msla »

lamp987 wrote: post #90
snird wrote: post #85

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There is no blockade. If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in? Guarding the borders is essential - we saw what they did in a few hours without them. Burning women alive. Decapitating babies. Raping teenagers then shooting them. Without a guarded border - they'll do a second holocaust. That's not a speculation - that's a proven fact.

"If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in?" Tunnels. "Decapitating babies." This was fabricated.

Because killing babies is good as long as you don't decapitate them?

OK.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by kaycey2022 »

lamp987 wrote: post #90
snird wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no blockade. If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in? Guarding the borders is essential - we saw what they did in a few hours without them. Burning women alive. Decapitating babies. Raping teenagers then shooting them. Without a guarded border - they'll do a second holocaust. That's not a speculation - that's a proven fact.

"If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in?" Tunnels. "Decapitating babies." This was fabricated.

Wait who said it was fabricated? It’s been widely reported to be true afaik

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by Eggsellence »

voisin wrote: post #73

Since we’re off HN topic anyways, can someone ELI5 why Israel blockades / occupies Palestinian territories? I would think given the treatment of Jews during WWII that there would be a special desire among Israelis not to treat a group of people poorly based on immutable facts like ethnicity. I understand the hatred of Hamas but don’t understand depriving Palestinian people of medicine and clean water and free movemen…

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Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by Gibbon1 »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #91
Gibbon1 wrote: post #79

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We could ask what Hamas would do if the power imbalance was the other way. We both know that you know the answer to that. Right now no one that's anyone cares about what Israel is going to do to Hamas. Hamas is now like ISIS, the shining path, the red brigades, the Khmer Rouge. Their non existence is a priority.

Who cares what hypothetical situation you can make up to try and justify these atrocities. The reality is that Israel is intentionally bombing innocent civilians, hospitals, cutting power, and depriving people of water. All of this in the open air prison that is Gaza, one of the most densely packed areas in the world. It’s disgusting and needs to be stopped.

You're the one justifying Hamas killing 1300 people in cold blood. You're the one saying that's justified.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by voisin »

Eggsellence wrote: post #115
voisin wrote: post #73

Since we’re off HN topic anyways, can someone ELI5 why Israel blockades / occupies Palestinian territories? I would think given the treatment of Jews during WWII that there would be a special desire among Israelis not to treat a group of people poorly based on immutable facts like ethnicity. I understand the hatred of Hamas but don’t understand depriving Palestinian people of medicine and clean water and free movemen…

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I’d prefer you set me straight so I can understand the context from your perspective. It seems like a uniquely biased “third rail” type topic and I cannot seem to get straight answers that make sense.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by voisin »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #110
voisin wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok I understand this but why prevent clean water and food and medicine from crossing the border? Why disallow them from trade while simultaneously not letting them into Israel?

So that what? They can become a thriving, economically powerful micronation on their doorstep? With better access to the political and military connections necessary to reclaim what they will always consider their land? Why would israel want that? Why would they allow it, if they have the power to prevent it.

Isn’t the deck tilted so much in Israel’s favour (economically and militarily) right now, that Palestine doesn’t need to be oppressed in the manner that it is? Isn’t oppressing the Palestinian people what allows groups like Hamas to thrive?

(These are honest questions, from someone with essentially no understanding of the current conflict but is trying desperately to make sense of it and is struggling with obviously biased reporting everywhere I look)

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by lamp987 »

msla wrote: post #112
lamp987 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in?" Tunnels. "Decapitating babies." This was fabricated.

Because killing babies is good as long as you don't decapitate them? OK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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