Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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Scrollbars are becoming a problem
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Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem
#2>gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface overlay-scrolling false
"Don't rely on gsettings. They are private and users are not supposed to be setting them theirselves. Don't complain when they suddenly stop working." -- every gtk dev I've ever talked to.
That said, I've applied those firefox about:config fixes and it's much better. Whew.
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#3Whenever I read a piece like this or another UX blog, it just becomes so obvious how little we care about a11y.
“Good” (as in accessible) design is pretty boring and decluttered compared to most modern expectations of web apps. I read Adam Silver’s book on forms and came away realizing that we’re doing it entirely wrong from an a11y standpoint but that’s just not a priority.
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#4The best part is that every website now feels it necessary to completely override the unusable skinny built-in browser scroll bar, then add a useless, non-interactive horizontal progress bar at the top of the screen instead.
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#5Maybe the solution is to improve the accessibility tools, not hack scrollbars. Assistive technologies should not just try to emulate the computer, but try to also use their specific strengths. For example, shouldn't eyetrackers be able to use blink or eyeroll gestures, or have a virtual "scroll down" "button" (focus target) underneath the screen?
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#6I feel like the iOS scroll bars fall into this a lot as well. They’re so hard to consistently get with you finger
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#7I don’t think this is UX/UI designers not knowing/caring about accessibility. It’s their bosses saying the tiny scrollbar is preferred because it sells 20% more due to the aesthetics being better. Who cares about the 0.5% of disabled people that weren’t likely to buy your app anyway.
Same for browsers, FF may care about accessibility, but they won’t lose the browser wars (bit of a moot point by now, but eh) because most people like Chrome’s tiny scrollbars.
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#8Whenever I read a piece like this or another UX blog, it just becomes so obvious how little we care about a11y. “Good” (as in accessible) design is pretty boring and decluttered compared to most modern expectations of web apps. I read Adam Silver’s book on forms and came away realizing that we’re doing it entirely wrong from an a11y standpoint but that’s just not a priority.
I find it ironic that in order for your comment to be accessible the reader must lookup “a11y” to find that it means “accessibility”.
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#9I run into so many websites that I think are completely broken because they have a scollable popover or some other weird element, but it's impossible to tell that there is content because the scroll bar is hidden on this small interior frame.
Absolutely infuriating. I blame iOS and macOS for encouraging this insanity and starting the fashion trend, and tangentially whoever pushed along this whole "flat" UI trend that makes it so hard to guess at what is what.
UI is communication, and UI designers have decided that mumbling is cool.
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#10I have come to a funny realisation recently. It's not my eyesight which is becoming worse, it's the UIs which are becoming worse. The tiny scrollbars with laughable contrast are in no way accessible to anyone. I've recently switched to using KDE with the Oxygen theme and it's a joy to use without any eye strain.
These scrollbars are absolutely pathetic, with no room for customisation. (good luck theming a locked-down application) It's blatant how UI designers don't give a damn about the users' needs, not even in FOSSland. I am not entirely sure why this is the case but it's a sad regression from the days when we had good-looking, functional, accessible and snappy software. Not locked-down, unthemable electron bullshit.
Also, we wouldn't need "dark mode" or the such if the UIs had any contrast and were legible.