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France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by enterprise_cog »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #79
enterprise_cog wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel could stop bombing civilians too.

We could ask what Hamas would do if the power imbalance was the other way. We both know that you know the answer to that. Right now no one that's anyone cares about what Israel is going to do to Hamas. Hamas is now like ISIS, the shining path, the red brigades, the Khmer Rouge. Their non existence is a priority.

Who cares what hypothetical situation you can make up to try and justify these atrocities. The reality is that Israel is intentionally bombing innocent civilians, hospitals, cutting power, and depriving people of water. All of this in the open air prison that is Gaza, one of the most densely packed areas in the world.

It’s disgusting and needs to be stopped.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by freedomben »

voisin wrote: post #88
giraffe_lady wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about ethnicity or religion per se. The land israel occupies was taken by force from palestinians. Gaza specifically is to a large extent simply a refugee camp for those displaced to create the state of israel, and their descendants. Both groups have, from their own perspective, a valid and exclusive claim to the land there. If not prevented from doing so, palestinians would certainly reclaim the homes and f…

Ok I understand this but why prevent clean water and food and medicine from crossing the border? Why disallow them from trade while simultaneously not letting them into Israel?

Note: If you're referring to things that they've done within the last few days, disregard this comment as this comment was written regarding the way things were before the recent attacks

I think it's more nuanced than just them trying to "prevent clean water and food and medicine from crossing the border." In the region, water is scarce and important for both sides. Israel does allow "clean water" into the region, the complaint is that Israel government allows their own people take too much of it (from the perspective of Palestinian farmers). In the American west we have the exact same problem. Farmers higher upstream of the Colorado river want enough water for all their crops, but this would deprive the farmers further west from having enough. There are intense and heated (political) battles between the regions, with both regions feeling like they are getting shortchanged. With food, medicine etc, there's concern that those supplies are going to enemy combatants/terrorists (from the Israeli perspective).

This is one of those situations where there aren't really any clear/easy answers.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by snird »

lamp987 wrote: post #90
snird wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no blockade. If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in? Guarding the borders is essential - we saw what they did in a few hours without them. Burning women alive. Decapitating babies. Raping teenagers then shooting them. Without a guarded border - they'll do a second holocaust. That's not a speculation - that's a proven fact.

"If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in?" Tunnels. "Decapitating babies." This was fabricated.

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Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by snird »

wtfwhateven wrote: post #87
snird wrote: post #86

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I would absolutely stop them. Given they are chanting "Gas the Jews" and "Rape the Jews". These are not protests - these are death marches.

>Given they are chanting "Gas the Jews" and "Rape the Jews". When?

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Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by wtfwhateven »

snird wrote: post #85
voisin wrote: post #73

Since we’re off HN topic anyways, can someone ELI5 why Israel blockades / occupies Palestinian territories? I would think given the treatment of Jews during WWII that there would be a special desire among Israelis not to treat a group of people poorly based on immutable facts like ethnicity. I understand the hatred of Hamas but don’t understand depriving Palestinian people of medicine and clean water and free movemen…

There is no blockade. If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in? Guarding the borders is essential - we saw what they did in a few hours without them. Burning women alive. Decapitating babies. Raping teenagers then shooting them. Without a guarded border - they'll do a second holocaust. That's not a speculation - that's a proven fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by wtfwhateven »

snird wrote: post #93
lamp987 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in?" Tunnels. "Decapitating babies." This was fabricated.

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Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by wtfwhateven »

snird wrote: post #94
wtfwhateven wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Given they are chanting "Gas the Jews" and "Rape the Jews". When?

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Sydney isn't in France (the subject of the submission).

Neither is London.

Also the second link is a video recorded 2 years ago.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by lamp987 »

snird wrote: post #93
lamp987 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in?" Tunnels. "Decapitating babies." This was fabricated.

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>You fell into the fake news of Hamas led by Qatars money.

>the same ones Biden himself confirmed.

Didn't know Hamas controls the White House. Huh, TIL.

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-pictures-terrorists-be...

>while not denying them killing babies.

I never denied Hamas killing babies. Obviously rocket barrages will kill babies. Feel free to quote me.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by Simulacra »

snird wrote: post #86
Simulacra wrote: post #46

I think it is absolutely grotesque and distasteful to hold pro rallies for Palestine and Hamas right now, but I would not stop them. They should be free to protest and speak.

I would absolutely stop them. Given they are chanting "Gas the Jews" and "Rape the Jews". These are not protests - these are death marches.

That is a good point, and that is probably the one time I would say that they should not be allowed. Openly threatening people, even a broad group, with violence is absolutely wrong. I could see that being the case where I would say no, those protests need to stop.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by Incipient »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #74
voisin wrote: post #73

Since we’re off HN topic anyways, can someone ELI5 why Israel blockades / occupies Palestinian territories? I would think given the treatment of Jews during WWII that there would be a special desire among Israelis not to treat a group of people poorly based on immutable facts like ethnicity. I understand the hatred of Hamas but don’t understand depriving Palestinian people of medicine and clean water and free movemen…

It's not about ethnicity or religion per se. The land israel occupies was taken by force from palestinians. Gaza specifically is to a large extent simply a refugee camp for those displaced to create the state of israel, and their descendants. Both groups have, from their own perspective, a valid and exclusive claim to the land there. If not prevented from doing so, palestinians would certainly reclaim the homes and f…

People on this part of the world have been killing each other for a good 3000 years or so. It has gone back and forward and there isn't really one correct owner.

However they want to do it, rolling into a music festival and shooting everyone really doesn't sound like the right way to fight injustice (perceived or real).

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