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Firefox and Fastly take another step toward a privacy upgrade for the internet

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Re: Firefox and Fastly take another step toward a privacy upgrade for the internet

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post #6

How does this compare to Apple Private Relay?

Apple private relay uses Fastly as one of the providers so I wouldn't be surprised if this is implemented the same way.

These services are implemented in different parts of Fastly's production stack, but they share the same global infrastructure footprint and a lot of the same people/teams are involved with both.

Re: Firefox and Fastly take another step toward a privacy upgrade for the internet

#22
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This service with Mozilla utilizes OHTTP, whereas iCloud Private Relay uses MASQUE. OHTTP is ideally suited for privacy enablement of APIs, whereas MASQUE is more for general purpose traffic. OHTTP has similarities to MASQUE in that it uses a two hop proxy design where each proxy only knows part of the total requestor / request information. And in both cases these proxies must be operated by separate entities that do…

>However, the key difference is that in OHTTP the end destination is known, because there is a 1-1-1 mapping between OHTTP Relay -> OHTTP Gateway -> Target. This could become more generalized in future revisions to OHTTP, but right now it's all hardcoded behavior. So the Relay knows the requested URL? That’s not masked by the client?

The Relay doesn't know the requested URL or the request body -- but it does know the next-hop destination (the OHTTP Gateway), and by virtue of the way most OHTTP services are currently deployed this tells you the destination service. It does not tell you the specific details of what is being asked for / returned by that service.

Re: Firefox and Fastly take another step toward a privacy upgrade for the internet

#23
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>However, the key difference is that in OHTTP the end destination is known, because there is a 1-1-1 mapping between OHTTP Relay -> OHTTP Gateway -> Target. This could become more generalized in future revisions to OHTTP, but right now it's all hardcoded behavior. So the Relay knows the requested URL? That’s not masked by the client?

The Relay doesn't know the requested URL or the request body -- but it does know the next-hop destination (the OHTTP Gateway), and by virtue of the way most OHTTP services are currently deployed this tells you the destination service. It does not tell you the specific details of what is being asked for / returned by that service.

Thanks

Re: Firefox and Fastly take another step toward a privacy upgrade for the internet

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post #3
post #2

Now just do native vertical tabs and I'll have 0 problems with FF

I’d settle for being able to turn off the unreasonably huge pane header that comes with extensions that implement vertical tabs via the sidebar. Yes it can be hidden with userchrome mods, but it shouldn’t be necessary to resort to that, plus we don’t know how long userchrome mods will continue to work…

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Re: Firefox and Fastly take another step toward a privacy upgrade for the internet

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post #3
post #2

Now just do native vertical tabs and I'll have 0 problems with FF

I’d settle for being able to turn off the unreasonably huge pane header that comes with extensions that implement vertical tabs via the sidebar. Yes it can be hidden with userchrome mods, but it shouldn’t be necessary to resort to that, plus we don’t know how long userchrome mods will continue to work…

A little bit of userchrome.css magic fixes this. I use treestyle tabs and for mine I simply added:

#TabsToolbar {visibility: collapse;} #sidebar-header {visibility:collapse;}

Re: Firefox and Fastly take another step toward a privacy upgrade for the internet

#28
post #13

Missing from this article is: How do I disable this. My initial thoughts are: I don't have any reason to trust fastly or their motivations. I certainly don't have any desire to use them as a proxy server for all of my HTTP traffic. I'll review the OHTTP spec carefully, which seems to have been put forward by mozilla (who I have limited faith in) and Cloudflare (whose motivations are suspect), and evaluate this in dep…

Without going into trust / motivation / etc. of various organizations, OHTTP is not used for general purpose web browsing. This Fastly service is used by Mozilla in conjunction with their own origins, not to random origins on the Internet.

Sadly neither the Fastly nor the Mozilla blog clearly states this out, or lists down the origins/services for which this is enabled.

Re: Firefox and Fastly take another step toward a privacy upgrade for the internet

#30
post #2

Now just do native vertical tabs and I'll have 0 problems with FF

Native would be great, but for my use case the Tab Center Reborn extension for Firefox is the best implementation of vertical tabs I've used on any browser, native or otherwise. There's other extensions like Sidebery and Tree Style Tabs, but I haven't really tried them.

So you think TCR is the best one, but you haven't really tried the other ones? How can you know?
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