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Re: Email and Git = <3

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Post by ravi-delia »

mvdtnz wrote: post #200
tlamponi wrote: post #46

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Configuring git send-email is trivial, definitively faster than creating an account at some web UI from a "source forge" – it's literally setting a handful of properties in the `.gitconfig` – and those are not specific to a project, but just your mail server settings you can reuse them for any project that accept patches over mailing lists. And using it for a project that accepts this workflow is such a joy, no need…

> Configuring git send-email is trivial The linked article is literally a multi-step process of arcane terminal commands that differ by operating system. You may think it's easy, but it's definitionally not trivial.

Multistep is fair, though for the record "multi" in this case means 2. One of those steps (the only thing that differs by OS) is installing git- I think you'd agree that gatekeeping by ability to install git is pretty reasonable for a project that uses git. Using git send-email doesn't require much more configuration than configuring ssh keys to push to GitHub. The fact is, most open source development workflows outside the safe confines of java on intellij will rely on the ability to use a few commands. We're better off making more great documentation like this to help new people adjust than deliberately clipping their wings.

Re: Email and Git = <3

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Post by ravi-delia »

bitcharmer wrote: post #148
djha-skin wrote: post #105

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> not only drive away a significant number of potential contributors, It drives away the kind of people who have little patience for technology problems and little patience for learning new things. I don't want those kind of people working on e.g. Git. Git needs people who have lots of patience for technology problems and lots of patience for learning new things.

No, it drives away people who don't want to develop in vim or emacs and prefer to use modern tools instead.

VSCode actually also supports using git send-email. All you need to do is work on your code in exactly the same way, then use git send-email.

Re: Email and Git = <3

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Post by sneak »

418tpot wrote: post #131
sneak wrote: post #42

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“needlessly graphical” requires a citation when it’s clear that if you use a web GUI for this you address a market of potential contributors that is three to six orders of magnitude larger. srht is really designed for (and thus only really useful for) lone wolf developers who collaborate rarely, if ever, and with a very small number of collaborators who collaborate infrequently. It is not built for large teams with c…

Some of the largest and most important software is developed over email, e.g. Linux, QEMU, Firefox, etc... Don't make the mistake thinking that email doesn't scale. In fact, for most teams, the opposite is true.

All of the largest software is collaborated on over webapps, without exception.

Windows and Office and AWS and GCP dwarf these foss projects.

There is a reason that Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and Apple don’t use email to collaborate on software.

Re: Email and Git = <3

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Post by yankput »

bitofhope wrote: post #10
yankput wrote: post #7

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sr.ht does that I don’t find it very user friendly (well, at all), but if you want a git forge that does that, you can use it.

This site seems to be made by Drew DeVault who also runs sourcehut.

Didn’t notice that.

But makes sense.

Re: Email and Git = <3

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Post by qudat »

emptysongglass wrote: post #39
BaculumMeumEst wrote: post #21

I appreciate the effort here, but after learning the workflow and having to get all this set up on a few computers, having to configure git send-mail is honestly just needlessly annoying and absurd. Organizations that insist on using workflows like git send-mail and mailing lists not only drive away a significant number of potential contributors, but they also form a weirdly religious culture that fetishizes needless…

It really kills the fun when contributing to any FOSS project that fetishizes these tools and holds them up as some kind of proof of hacker cred. I've given up. The latency is too high and the tools are terrible.

That’s an interesting take actually. Would you be okay with a service that supports both email and PR based dev flows as long as the user can choose?

Re: Email and Git = <3

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Post by fomine3 »

oefrha wrote: post #54
emptysongglass wrote: post #39

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It really kills the fun when contributing to any FOSS project that fetishizes these tools and holds them up as some kind of proof of hacker cred. I've given up. The latency is too high and the tools are terrible.

“Want to contribute? Subscribe to our mailing list that sends a hundred emails a day.” Nope.

This is a biggest blocker.

Re: Email and Git = <3

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Post by fomine3 »

tristan957 wrote: post #119
TotempaaltJ wrote: post #81

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Hard agree! I think the success of Github's PR system over Git + email workflows has proved itself quite well through sheer adoption numbers.

The largest open-source software projects in the world don't use it though, so that tells me there is something lacking.

Largest open-source software, perhaps Chromium or Android, uses Google's proprietary systems with Git.

Re: Email and Git = <3

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Post by atomicUpdate »

tristan957 wrote: post #208
bitcharmer wrote: post #146

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Maybe so, but my interpretation is that there's personal opposition to change and improvement from people like Linus or TGLX or other greybeards. At least in the linux kernel world. The contribution by email is an antiquated approach and needs to go. Now, knowing the HN crowd this comment will become grey in 3... 2... 1...

What is antiquated about sending patches via email? Have you ever used email to contribute to a project or review a patch?

Contributing patches via the Linux mailing lists is worse than Gerrit in every way.

Re: Email and Git = <3

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Post by keepamovin »

nine_k wrote: post #166
keepamovin wrote: post #150

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Nice! Yeah, CVS, I don't know much about it, but your comment reminds me I should check out things outside the git ken! They might just have valuable understandings I need to learn! Thanks for letting me know about it :)

If you decide to expand your horizons, take a look not only at the venerable CVS but also at things like perforce, fossil, and pijul.

Thank you, nine_k, I shall! if I expand my version control horizons, I will be sure to check out those little gems! :)

Re: Email and Git = <3

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Post by dang »

tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #114
severus_snape wrote: post #97

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I usually know, when the interface is not too shiny, that the content might be good. It's the same with HN. And those interfaces are still very easy to understand and use. That being said, there is certainly room for improvement.

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