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Re: Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has been deleted by its author"

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Post by whelp_24 » Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 8:09 PM UTC

krapp wrote: post #35

june07 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, when you post ANYTHING online... one must assume it's like a tattoo... that is to say permanent. Not saying it's right or wrong (because believe me I have my own privacy/trust issues), just saying it is reality.

>Unfortunately, when you post ANYTHING online... one must assume it's like a tattoo... that is to say permanent. Not saying it's right or wrong (because believe me I have my own privacy/trust issues), just saying it is reality. It isn't reality. Reality is that it's simply data on a server. Data on a server isn't permanent, the web was never designed or intended to provide an immutable record of anything. Data is onl…

Just like tattoos they can fade.

Assume permanent data when you want something deleted and temporary data when you want it saved. If you want it deleted it's probably because someone thinks it is worth saving. If you want it saved, well it doesn't mean anyone does,(or that who ever does will make it accessible) so you'll need to ensure it's paid for.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has been deleted by its author"

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Post by bee_rider » Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 8:10 PM UTC

krapp wrote: post #35

june07 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, when you post ANYTHING online... one must assume it's like a tattoo... that is to say permanent. Not saying it's right or wrong (because believe me I have my own privacy/trust issues), just saying it is reality.

>Unfortunately, when you post ANYTHING online... one must assume it's like a tattoo... that is to say permanent. Not saying it's right or wrong (because believe me I have my own privacy/trust issues), just saying it is reality. It isn't reality. Reality is that it's simply data on a server. Data on a server isn't permanent, the web was never designed or intended to provide an immutable record of anything. Data is onl…

Many things have vanished without a trace from the internet, but it is essentially impossible to ever be sure that nobody has backed up a bit of data.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has been deleted by its author"

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Post by jpc0 » Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 8:19 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #27

Reddit is especially bad about this. I’m tired of seeing deleted posts leaving tattered conversations where you can hardly tell what someone is talking about. Content you post online should be as immutable as possible.

This here is at the forefront of the entire reason for the massive backlash at tge Reddit API changes.

I created that content, I can decide what is done with it. If I dislike the direction reddit is going I should be able to remove said content and prevent reddit from generating income for it.

Reddit didn't pay me to provide the information I did, neither did you. Neither of you are entitled to it remaining there indefinitely.

I actually like OPs tool though, I don't have an issue with what it does, however I would if it stored that data on OPs servers and then trained an LLM on it or sold the information to an ad company.

Suffice to say I think LLMs are going to degrade the general internet due to people not wanting what they said in an LLM. I personally post for other humans to benefit, not for a corporation to train an LLM on and make a ton of income. I'm fine however with a platform using tasteful ads to fund it's own operations.

Insert random ideas about posts made online being equated to a public speech and where that falls in the copyright laws that currently exist for the future LLM that parses this stuff.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has been deleted by its author"

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Post by throwaway14356 » Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 8:21 PM UTC

is anyone archiving advertisements for historical purposes?

I tried looking for banners one time, squares skyscrapers etc. (Just to populate a rotation script.) but couldn't find anything.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has been deleted by its author"

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Post by xwdv » Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 8:22 PM UTC

jpc0 wrote: post #43

xwdv wrote: post #27

Reddit is especially bad about this. I’m tired of seeing deleted posts leaving tattered conversations where you can hardly tell what someone is talking about. Content you post online should be as immutable as possible.

This here is at the forefront of the entire reason for the massive backlash at tge Reddit API changes. I created that content, I can decide what is done with it. If I dislike the direction reddit is going I should be able to remove said content and prevent reddit from generating income for it. Reddit didn't pay me to provide the information I did, neither did you. Neither of you are entitled to it remaining there ind…

Sorry to tell you, but once you post it on Reddit, the content is no longer yours.

Not your content, not your choice.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has been deleted by its author"

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Post by rekabis » Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 8:22 PM UTC

What’s wrong with a screenshot? Greenshot is my choice of Windows app for capturing just limited clips of the screen and either saving them directly to the drive or dumping into the clipboard for elsewhere paste.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has been deleted by its author"

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Post by june07 » Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 8:26 PM UTC

whelp_24 wrote: post #41

krapp wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Unfortunately, when you post ANYTHING online... one must assume it's like a tattoo... that is to say permanent. Not saying it's right or wrong (because believe me I have my own privacy/trust issues), just saying it is reality. It isn't reality. Reality is that it's simply data on a server. Data on a server isn't permanent, the web was never designed or intended to provide an immutable record of anything. Data is onl…

Just like tattoos they can fade. Assume permanent data when you want something deleted and temporary data when you want it saved. If you want it deleted it's probably because someone thinks it is worth saving. If you want it saved, well it doesn't mean anyone does,(or that who ever does will make it accessible) so you'll need to ensure it's paid for.

I appreciate this further use of the tattoo analogy. At its core, the data exists on a server, but it's intriguing to ponder how many times it has been duplicated, cached, and stored. How many individuals and devices have contributed to this process? Is there an absolute method to ascertain this complex journey?

Undoubtedly, nothing on this planet, whether digital or physical, internet-based or in print, is truly everlasting. Eventually, everything returns to the earth, a poignant reminder of impermanence.

Drawing a parallel to tattoo removal by laser, I'm reminded of an old girlfriend's experience. While she possessed a remarkable pain threshold, it was an ordeal she wouldn't willingly revisit.

So again, I still feel data online is very much LIKE a tattoo in its permanent nature, and time only strengthens that feeling.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has been deleted by its author"

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Post by jpc0 » Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 8:29 PM UTC

june07 wrote: post #25

thih9 wrote: post #23

What about the right to be forgotten and similar laws? Is it legal to run a service like this when laws exist about providing the original author or a person present in a photo with a way to remove content or personally identifiable information? There are also copyright trolls and GDPR trolls, isn’t a service like this an opportunity for them?

Unfortunately, when you post ANYTHING online... one must assume it's like a tattoo... that is to say permanent. Not saying it's right or wrong (because believe me I have my own privacy/trust issues), just saying it is reality.

When I post anything online there is, in my opinion, an agreement in place there, similar to in real life.

If I made an actual article hosted on a site which could be equated to news or magazines of old, I would assume it's permanent since I would assume the same in reality.

If I post something in a discussion forum, I cannot be sure nobody there is recording it and keeping a copy of it indefinitely.

I am however allowed to be upset and possibly persue legal action if the person who did happen to record it now sells it to anyone with enough money or trains an LLM on dictated versions of it.

For the former I believe there is actual legal grounds with damages, for the latter I feel I can choose to never interact with that person again and disparage them publically for what they have done.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has been deleted by its author"

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Post by jpc0 » Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 8:36 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #45

jpc0 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This here is at the forefront of the entire reason for the massive backlash at tge Reddit API changes. I created that content, I can decide what is done with it. If I dislike the direction reddit is going I should be able to remove said content and prevent reddit from generating income for it. Reddit didn't pay me to provide the information I did, neither did you. Neither of you are entitled to it remaining there ind…

Sorry to tell you, but once you post it on Reddit, the content is no longer yours. Not your content, not your choice.

I am still an individual in this world with rights no matter how much "the internet" feels that isn't true.

Reference the current legislation being put in place around the world regarding privacy as proof that I am not in the minority here.

Also it did work exactly like that since reddit allowed me to delete said content and and chose to stop posting or interacting with reddit.

Could there be a copy my reddit history out there somewhere? Sure.

Do I have an issue with that? Nope.

Would I have an issue with that if that copy was held by reddit and they still trained LLMs or sold it to ad companies? Yes and I'm sure I also have legal standing on that backed by my government.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of reading "This posting has been deleted by its author"

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Post by thih9 » Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 8:44 PM UTC

generalizations wrote: post #24

thih9 wrote: post #23

What about the right to be forgotten and similar laws? Is it legal to run a service like this when laws exist about providing the original author or a person present in a photo with a way to remove content or personally identifiable information? There are also copyright trolls and GDPR trolls, isn’t a service like this an opportunity for them?

What about my right to remember?

It doesn’t prevent you from remembering.

> The right to be forgotten leads to allowing individuals to have information, videos, or photographs about themselves deleted from certain Internet records so that they cannot be found by search engines.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten