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Re: Show HN: A job application tracker with company reviews, recruiter autoresponder

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Post by danwee »

n_ary wrote: post #116
danwee wrote: post #84

Congrats for launching the product! > These days it is common to apply to dozens of positions (some users track over a hundred opportunities). Honest question: is it that common? I'm an average software engineer in Western Europe. When I was junior (around 2010-2015) I usually got a job after submitting ~3 job applications (mainly, because I was accepting anything at that time). Nowadays, since I have more experience…

> I'm an average software engineer in Western Europe. When I was junior (around 2010-2015) I usually got a job after submitting ~3 job applications Your situation is actually very rare unless you are accepting bottom of the barrel offers or very well connected landing quick offers. I am also from West Europe and for me with a decade of experience it still takes 30-45+ applications because most companies(except boring…

> So shifting through many garbages to find the one(or two) golden ones is a good effort.

I guess that's my trick, then. Somehow I can filter out garbage by just:

- reading the job ad

- reading the company's website/social media

- checking who's working for such company (e.g., linkedin profile of employees)

It takes around 1-2h for me to check a company. That's why I only submit very few applications: because I know the companies I'm applying for are not the bad ones.

Re: Show HN: A job application tracker with company reviews, recruiter autoresponder

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Post by danwee »

bobcostas55 wrote: post #92
danwee wrote: post #84

Congrats for launching the product! > These days it is common to apply to dozens of positions (some users track over a hundred opportunities). Honest question: is it that common? I'm an average software engineer in Western Europe. When I was junior (around 2010-2015) I usually got a job after submitting ~3 job applications (mainly, because I was accepting anything at that time). Nowadays, since I have more experience…

Without a second offer in hand, you're always going to be in a very bad negotiating position when it comes to salary. Avoiding the stress of multiple interviews is almost certainly costing you tens of thousands per year. Over your entire career we're talking about millions of euros.

I don't think this logic is solid.

> Avoiding the stress of multiple interviews is almost certainly costing you tens of thousands per year

If we are still talking about Western Europe, where almost no one reaches the 100K eur/year salary, saying tens of thousands per year (e.g., 20K? 30K?) implies a power of negotiation of 20%-30% (or even more if we are talking about base salaries of < 100K/year which are the most common ones) when negotiating a salary. Maybe in the US you can negotiate that when applying for a job, but around here I think asking for more than 10%-15% already is basically forcing your employer to pass on you (unless you are the Michael Jordan of software engineers).

Re: Show HN: A job application tracker with company reviews, recruiter autoresponder

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Post by danwee »

Tactician_mark wrote: post #127
ghaff wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems like an insane number for an experienced person--that's almost an application every two days--and a yield of less than 1% which presumably wasn't even a compelling offer.

Online job platforms like Monster, Indeed, Glassdoor, etc. have changed things significantly. If you can apply in one click, or just a simple form, it's trivial to send out 50 applications a day. Those easy-apply jobs will of course get hundreds of applicants, requiring an even wider net to stand a statistical chance. My job search looked a bit like that. Luckily, I had just a few connections from grad school, which…

> Online job platforms like Monster, Indeed, Glassdoor, etc.

Maybe that's the problem. Those platforms are full of garbage job ads. I've never used such platforms (but again, I could be missing something).

Re: Show HN: A job application tracker with company reviews, recruiter autoresponder

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Post by _rwo »

kissgyorgy wrote: post #90

Looks really good, however another proprietary app which would have all my data. I just put together a Kanban board with Obsidian, which is Mardown in files, so I have full control over my data forever.

TIL you can create kanban boards in Obsidian :mindblown: thanks!

Re: Show HN: A job application tracker with company reviews, recruiter autoresponder

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Post by Grimburger »

rewmie wrote: post #107
Grimburger wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your portrayal really feels like a fraudulent way to frame This an an incredibly offensive thing to say, there's definitely a fraud here and it is not me, you should probably try harder next time with your sigint thing :) Good luck with it mate, please don't ever again.

> This an an incredibly offensive thing to say (...) I'm pointing out a fundamental trait of a system: if a service charges users for each job application, regardless of their nature, then there's a perverse incentive for service operators to maximize the number of job ads a user applies to. This includes but is not limited to creating fake job adverts. Do you disagree?

> then there's a perverse incentive for service operators to maximize the number of job ads a user applies to.

Is that not an incentive for the service operators to find more employers? No one is forcing you to apply for a job hopefully.

When the cost for applying is zero all you get is:

- puffed up resumes

- laughable experience in the stack that doesn't last a few minutes upon (time consuming) inspection

- bad cultural fit

- fake human beings who aren't even real and are actually just devshops in third world pretending to be Europeans with fake personas and everything

- the list goes on...

These things are expensive on the other end, yet it costs a person exactly $0.00 to send that resume, it's the bullshit asymmetry principle at work, there's so much time and effort required to refute job applicants that you basically have to give up.

Again I'm asking you to go post a remote job and see for yourself. Please, try to see this from the other side, it might even benefit you as a jobseeker to do so :|

Re: Show HN: A job application tracker with company reviews, recruiter autoresponder

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Post by Grimburger »

rewmie wrote: post #77
Grimburger wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I was a job seeker, specially if I was out of a job, I would never ever spend a single cent on a job application service Find this very hard to believe. You really wouldn't spend $1 to submit a job application to a position that is your bread and butter while unemployed? Even if it meant there wasn't hundreds of others spamming the same endpoint? Taking such an ideological high ground over a few cents rarely wor…

> Find this very hard to believe. You really wouldn't spend $1 to submit a job application to a position that is your bread and butter while unemployed? No, it's a stupid concept, and one that turns posting fake job ads into a profitable scam. > Even if it meant there wasn't hundreds of others spamming the same endpoint? Take a minute to think about that nonsense. Do you really think a company will want to risk losin…

> turns posting fake job ads into a profitable scam

God forbid that the average software developer actually does 5 mins of research into the company before shooting off a resume, even worse before loading 700 npm packages and running build scripts on their computer for a quick "test" assessment?

All I see in this thread is reactionary stuff from people who get kneejerk offended by the idea of paying to apply to jobs. The market is getting entirely automated from end to end and some who want to hire don't particularly want that.

Re: Show HN: A job application tracker with company reviews, recruiter autoresponder

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Post by romanhn »

lelanthran wrote: post #67
romanhn wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this one I went back-and-forth a lot during initial implementation. It's not easy to find a balance between making it dead simple and preventing abuse. I kept it simple as far as forwarding goes - an account must exist for the sender address or else the email is not processed. For save@, I was mostly worried about covertly updating/creating opportunities based on emails alone, so there is a step where the user…

> In other words, theoretically spoofing could occur, but there are compensating controls in place to minimize any damage. Given a very low likelihood of an attack in this direction, that felt like a reasonable compromise. Would love to get feedback on that though! I don't have good recommendations right now[1], but I think not having a way to opt-out for those who are security conscious is a turn-off for some people…

FYI - I added an "opt out" option for email processing. Any incoming emails for the opted-out address will be silently ignored (same as incoming emails for non-existent addresses).
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