I'd like to read the full statement. Of course CNN doesn't link to it or provide the full text. The actions of Hamas are beyond unconscionable, but unconscionable acts by Israel in the past arguably caused the recent terrorist attacks.
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#22I find that the many of the collective western reaction to this recent events is no different from some the reaction of russians against people opposing the war in Ukraine.
In Germany police will harras/arrest you if you are wearing Palestinian flag even before this events. They even ban any try to organize any event in nakba (anniversary of Palestinians losing their land) [1]
There is a suggestion to the English police that waving the Palestinian flag could/should be a criminal act [2]
Biden is spreading false accusation trying to de-humanize a party in the conflict [3]. He is sending one of the biggest aircraft carriers in the world against people the vast majority of whom never even seen a plane in their life (except the Isreali planes bombing them).
The Isreali defence minister is literally using a language that was used during previous genocidal events. He literally said thet they are in a fight with "human animals" [4]
The western leades are giving a white/plain check for isreal to do whatever it want without check. This will definitely lead to a massacre no matter how you see it. If you want to justify it as they weren't the one who started. Well I have many bridges to sell you.
But really the question is that. lets assume a world where every Palestinian drop their weapon and never act in violence. Will the US, EU and others come and force isreal to let them have their state?
Will the two state solution ever be implemented as a good gesture from the occupiers? Did George Washington kick out the British with appealing to their good well?
Of course there will be an explosion. If you took people's land, treat them like shit, put them in an open prison and bomb them every couple of months then they will explode. And if they do and you keep doing it with more intensity with the support of the Western world as we see now then you will not expect things to get better.
Can isreal destroy every inch in gaza?
yes they can. They can kill a million people there. They can even nuke the shit our of gaza. will this stop Palestinian resistance? Of course no. They are cornered. You did not leave anything to them. They don't have freedom, good life or anything. You want to kick them out of their land. Isreal was never serious about two state solutions before and definitely not now with the rise of their right wing.
Death to arab is a usual slogan by extremist settlers.[5]. Heck even they have a minister in the government who say this in plain sight [6]. It is hurting that a lot of Isreali civilians are killed in recent actions but lets be self consistent and consider that both in pure numbers and with alot suffering over decades you will not see even one year without having an order of magnitude more Palestinian civilians getting killed by Isreali troops and settlers.
If the west is serious about human life then it would be a human life. If the western leaders are thinking using a crusader mind that these are arabs and Muslims (The other people, the enemy)then lets be honest about that. Again we see the hypocritical treatment of human life.
In this conflict there are root causes. If anyone is serious about anything regarding that. Then they will look into these causes and try to address them. Until then there will be violence and except if justice is served or until the world observe Palestinians gets eliminated until their last soul, things will never improve.
And yes, this is a very political comment but it is more of a common sense that a lot of people are missing. A lot of people even don't want to address that they have a bias against us because we are the other. The people of middle east, arabs and Muslims were for centuries the other, the enemy of the west. Things has improved and I am not saying that this is true in absolute terms but there are a hidden bias (and sometimes an obvious feeling of superiority) against those people. If you deny it by words but all your actions and alignment are doing the opposite it doesn't mean much.
I hope thaf one day things will improve and that one day justice will be served without the madness that we are seeing now.
[1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/05/20/berlin-bans-nakba-day-de...
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/10/people-supp...
[3] https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/11/beheaded-israeli-babies-s...
[4] https://humanevents.com/2023/10/09/breaking-israeli-defense-...
[5] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_Arabs
[6] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/02/27/itamar-ben-gvi...
Re: Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted
#23I see stuff like this, and the first place my mind goes isn't to the antisemitism (it really never dies), or student-run organizations saying dumb things (again, not surprising). The first place my mind goes, is... does Harvard not teach history classes?
I want to seriously question what you mean by "History".
The history I understand places blame on the British Empire and the neo Israeli State.
My understanding of this situation is that terrorism is initiated by Islamic jihadists. The environment that allows those jihadists to thrive is created by Israel.
The Gaza strip, is the poster child of how to create an adversarial environment that breeds terrorism.
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#24At least one law student got a law firm offer rescinded over their comments – https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston-...
> At least one law student got a law firm offer rescinded over their comments – https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston- ... This sets such a dangerous precedent, and further emboldens those who contend that the Jewish influence in media and Industry (particularly in entertainment, Law, and Media) is absolute. And was portrayed by a John Stewart, himself a Jew, so poignantly [0] nearly 10 years ag…
>Say what you will about them voicing a poorly informed opinion if you must
how do you differentiate between poorly informed opinions and poorly formed morals ?
(in this specific case poorly informed opinion (if this is what it is) may lead to offer been revoked due to inability to perform research. sounds like a must for a law firm)
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#25Playboy fired pornstar Mia Kalifa for supporting hamas actions. Could you please help me understand, if this is cancel culture or moral backbone of USA ?
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#26I see stuff like this, and the first place my mind goes isn't to the antisemitism (it really never dies), or student-run organizations saying dumb things (again, not surprising). The first place my mind goes, is... does Harvard not teach history classes?
I want to seriously question what you mean by "History". The history I understand places blame on the British Empire and the neo Israeli State. My understanding of this situation is that terrorism is initiated by Islamic jihadists. The environment that allows those jihadists to thrive is created by Israel. The Gaza strip, is the poster child of how to create an adversarial environment that breeds terrorism.
actually... after arabs rejected partition plan and Israel fought it independence war, Egypt took over Gaza strip and Jordan over entire west bank. Instead of establishing there Palestinian state Jordan annexed west bank at 1950 and Egypt fenced off gaza strip with all palestinians. For next 20 years it was the state of affairs till Israel took over the territories in 1967.
So maybe it's Egypt fault ?
When peace agreement with Egypt was signed, it refused to take back Gaza.
So maybe it's Egypt Fault ?
And extra fun fact: there is UN report dated 1982 or something which described effects of Israeli occupation. The outcome was modern infrastructure, literacy rate jumping up by tens of percent, infant deaths falling down and life expectancy going up by 10 or 15 years.
If this is " poster child of how to create an adversarial environment that breeds terrorism.", well...
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Amazing how, given a clear demonstration of right-wing "cancel culture" in action, the immediate response is to invent a purely hypothetical scenario to vilify left-wing "cancel culture." A clear demonstration -- as if one was needed -- that the right's objection to "cancel culture" is that they believe it is a tool only they are allowed to wield.
Apropos of nothing else, it sure has been…interesting to witness nearly all of the big name right wing (and many of the larger fringe right wing) accounts on X immediately abandon the America First rhetoric and time travel back to the year 2015.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Amazing how, given a clear demonstration of right-wing "cancel culture" in action, the immediate response is to invent a purely hypothetical scenario to vilify left-wing "cancel culture." A clear demonstration -- as if one was needed -- that the right's objection to "cancel culture" is that they believe it is a tool only they are allowed to wield.
Apropos of nothing else, it sure has been…interesting to witness nearly all of the big name right wing (and many of the larger fringe right wing) accounts on X immediately abandon the America First rhetoric and time travel back to the year 2015.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> At least one law student got a law firm offer rescinded over their comments – https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston- ... This sets such a dangerous precedent, and further emboldens those who contend that the Jewish influence in media and Industry (particularly in entertainment, Law, and Media) is absolute. And was portrayed by a John Stewart, himself a Jew, so poignantly [0] nearly 10 years ag…
>Say what you will about them voicing a poorly informed opinion if you must how do you differentiate between poorly informed opinions and poorly formed morals ? (in this specific case poorly informed opinion (if this is what it is) may lead to offer been revoked due to inability to perform research. sounds like a must for a law firm)
> in this specific case poorly informed opinion...
It's hard to not see the IDF as a barbarous relic of it's own collective trauma from the Holocaust at this point; I personally think they are just as appalling as the German Nazis themselves and the US enables and funds this for Geo-political strategy: I believe in free speech and feel that I can make this argument without impunity as it's based entirely from decades of continual atrocities against Palestinians and overt crimes against Humanity (withholding life critical aid in a pandemic), and international killing of aid workers/activists (flotilla) documented the use of banned munitions on children as they regard them as less than Human while creating an overt surveillance state and exports this tech to other nations to use to monitor their citizens etc... and is only possible because there exists a sort of exceptional situation for Israel, but is it really any different than how the CCP treats the Uhigyers? I don't, and I think both should be condemned for their actions in a Tribunal for Crimes against Humanity alongside Putin's Russia.
Except Israel gets to quell any dissent on the topic for fear of being regarded antisemitic which ultimately is used to justify their actions; just so it's clear I find the actions of Hamas reprehensible and vile, but that 'party for Peace' was only a couple of miles from the Gaza border; tell me under what possible distorted form of reality can this be justified? It was noted that the sound of the music was likely heard in Gaza it was so close.
This is pretty much the conclusion that a Canadian UN peace keeping intern working in Palestine and Israel relations came to when we worked together on an unrelated job: that the victims often become the abuser and Gaza is a perfect example of how that has occurred in my Life-time. And that is what is taking place once more seeing innocent lives lost for the actions of a political extreme minority; it is these kind of actions that have made me an anarchist in the end, as it is always normal people who suffer most in these systems.
That problem in-lies that a forced consensus is made: by not supporting the IDF/Israel inhumane actions, let alone claiming to be Pro-Palestine, it's made into a false equivalence of thinking you are are pro-Hamas, which is only possible if the overt censorship that I'm worried about is prevalent.
If a Law firm cannot distinguish that its a more nuanced matter, but will instead crumble under such pressure one has to ask 'how come' and 'why' doesn't it? I think this a matter of censorship, with much more dire underlying issues, more than it is anything else.